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Old 10-20-2013, 08:16 PM  
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So when do democrats think our debt becomes a problem?

I'd really like to have someone here explain to me how the current Obama/Democrat philosophy doesn't have us on the Greece track.

Recession recovery failure.
Failure at job growth.
Energy policy doomed to fail our economy.
Obamacare increasing the debt.
All time high for people getting food stamps.

It's becoming apparent the democrats entire goal is to get as many people on government assistance as possible. We all lose.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:17 PM   #61
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We're not taxing our way clear of $18,000,000,000,000.00, for ****'s sake.
Hey. I jumped the gun. It's only $17,000,000,000,000.00, not $18,000,000,000,000.00. I think we're going to be okay.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:28 PM   #62
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:31 PM   #63
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Debt added by the previous 43 US Presidents combined, 1789-2008 was 6.4 trillion dollars. Obama's debt in one term was 6.5 trillion dollars. I think it's about time for these dumber than dirt socialist liberals to wake the F up. You can't keep passing the buck. I'm guessing that none of these idiots that voted for Obummer do their monthly finances this way, so why would you support someone that does?
Not very meaningful. How much of that was attributable to shit carried over from Bush, especially the first couple years?

You're claiming Obama has doubled the debt. Reagan TRIPLED it.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:13 PM   #64
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who controlled the house back then
People's RECENT historical memory is atrocious.

Republicans controlled for 6 years, Democrats for 2.
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:14 PM   #65
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Not very meaningful. How much of that was attributable to shit carried over from Bush, especially the first couple years?

You're claiming Obama has doubled the debt. Reagan TRIPLED it.
Just what I expected from a dumbass like you, to blame Bush. It's about time for you idiots to start looking at Obummer, and all of his failures, as the problem here. Obummer is in his second term, and you still blame Bush. Get real, and wake the F up. Nobody has increased the debt in the history of the USA, as much as your rainbow farting idiot in the WH.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:32 AM   #66
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Just what I expected from a dumbass like you, to blame Bush. It's about time for you idiots to start looking at Obummer, and all of his failures, as the problem here. Obummer is in his second term, and you still blame Bush. Get real, and wake the F up. Nobody has increased the debt in the history of the USA, as much as your rainbow farting idiot in the WH.
Yes, I know Bush can't be mentioned. I mean, everyone knows there's a big Reset button hit on inauguration day and nothing before then is ever relevant.

This is simply a factual matter, not an opinion.

Yes or no, dipshit--Is part of the debt total you are attributing to Obama since January 2009 actually due to Bush's programs and actions?
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:34 AM   #67
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Yes, I know Bush can't be mentioned. I mean, everyone knows there's a big Reset button hit on inauguration day and nothing before then is ever relevant.

This is simply a factual matter, not an opinion.

Yes or no, dipshit--Is part of the debt total you are attributing to Obama since January 2009 actually due to Bush's programs and actions?
Just keep on deflecting, since you think everything your party does, that makes you, and/or your party feel good is the right thing to do, even if it hurts us, and the country as a whole, for years to come. I see it now, you think you can win stuff with emotions only, and say screw financial responsibility. If you think the 6.5 trillion debt in the first term of the Obummer admin was bad, just wait until they get done tallying up the current term he's in. From the looks of things, we need to take up a collection for a brain enema for Cosmo, to rid this board of all his shit. How much of the debt that you attributed to Reagan, was the fault of Carter? Two can play that game, dumbass.
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Old 10-22-2013, 01:50 AM   #68
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Here's another tidbit of info, that you cannot blame on anyone but Obummer.

George W. Bush's 2007 budget deficit was $163 billion.
Obama racked up $328 billion in just one day, on October 17, 2013. Deflect that, and blame it on anyone, but your precious rainbow farting idiot in the WH.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:17 AM   #69
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Here's another tidbit of info, that you cannot blame on anyone but Obummer.

George W. Bush's 2007 budget deficit was $163 billion.
Obama racked up $328 billion in just one day, on October 17, 2013. Deflect that, and blame it on anyone, but your precious rainbow farting idiot in the WH.
So you didn't answer the question I asked and are now changing the topic. You don't know what you are talking about and are simply too stupid to know it.

Bush's fiscal year 2007, which runs from Oct 06- Sept 07 was $161B.
And then FY 2008 was $458B
And then FY 2009 (Oct 08 - Sept 09) was $1.4T

Digging out of the Bush hole has been expensive, but the budget deficit has gone lower each of the Obama years.

And tough shit if you don't like Bush mentioned. It's plenty ****ing relevant.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:53 AM   #70
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i attribute the failures to both sides. the fact that "sides" exist in such a bitter state is a huge failure in itself. i believe everyone in this thread is reasonable, and will admit that from the president to the bottom of DC, the last decade has been disgusting.
as long as we keep fighting each other, the idiots on top get a free pass.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:06 AM   #71
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You realize even though you use the term 'broaden', you're still talking about raising taxes right?

"Broadening the tax base" is just a dogwhistle for "getting minorities to pay their share". Also it will never happen because it would hit a ton of the republican base (many of whom currently pay no income tax even though they don't realize it) right in the pocket book.

I'd love to see Republicans actually succeed in "broadening the tax base" then watch a bunch of redneck hillbillies in red states freak out because now they're taking home even less money per paycheck. I'm sure they still find some way to blame the Democrats.
It's not a dog whistle, it's good tax policy. And it doesn't just mean taxing low income people who currently enjoy immunity from our income tax. It also means closing loopholes that allow high rate taxpayers to avoid some taxes by making economically inefficient financial decisions.

BYW, Don't forget Obama's massive increase in our debt when your paycheck ends up being impacted by future tax increases.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:14 AM   #72
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So you didn't answer the question I asked and are now changing the topic. You don't know what you are talking about and are simply too stupid to know it.

Bush's fiscal year 2007, which runs from Oct 06- Sept 07 was $161B.
And then FY 2008 was $458B
And then FY 2009 (Oct 08 - Sept 09) was $1.4T

Digging out of the Bush hole has been expensive, but the budget deficit has gone lower each of the Obama years.

And tough shit if you don't like Bush mentioned. It's plenty ****ing relevant.
The FY2009 budget was predominantly controlled by Obama and his democrats.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:16 AM   #73
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Debt added by the previous 43 US Presidents combined, 1789-2008 was 6.4 trillion dollars. Obama's debt in one term was 6.5 trillion dollars. I think it's about time for these dumber than dirt socialist liberals to wake the F up. You can't keep passing the buck. I'm guessing that none of these idiots that voted for Obummer do their monthly finances this way, so why would you support someone that does?
Everything about this post tells me you don't know how Bush manipulated the books to keep his debt from appearing.

The biggest cause of our current debt is Tax Cuts and Wars. This is fact.

What Obama did, that caused the surge of debt at the start of the term, was actually put the debt of the Wars on the Books.

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In his address last night on the economic crisis, President Barack Obama made it official: No more budgetary sleight-of-hand at the Pentagon.

As we have noted here before, the U.S. military has largely paid for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through emergency spending measures, in effect keeping wartime costs off the books. In addition to masking skyrocketing budget growth at the Department of Defense, this process has allowed the services to treat budget supplementals as a piggy bank for new procurement. Members of Congress may have grumbled about poor oversight, but they have largely acquiesced.

Obama’s message? Not anymore.

"That is why this budget looks ahead ten years and accounts for spending that was left out under the old rules – and for the first time, that includes the full cost of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "For seven years, we have been a nation at war. No longer will we hide its price."

This is the first real move toward belt-tightening at the Pentagon; we’ll see if the new Defense Department budget reflects it, and Obama’s pledge to stop "paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don’t use
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009...ighing-the-ir/
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:56 AM   #74
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So back to the topic at hand. Can anyone who considers their self Liberal answer, what dollar amount of Percent of the GNP our debt would need to reach before it is an issue as important as... say Health Care or National Defense?

Now, 5 Trillion ago, 5, 10, 15 trillion more?
It appears that with the possible exception of Amnorix the answer to my question and yours is our debt will never become an issue as long as rocket scientists Obama,pelosi and Reid are on the job.
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It appears that with the possible exception of Amnorix the answer to my question and yours is our debt will never become an issue as long as rocket scientists Obama,pelosi and Reid are on the job.
Yep. It will become the most important issue ever as soon as Republicans win the WH back.
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