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Old 10-20-2013, 07:16 PM  
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So when do democrats think our debt becomes a problem?

I'd really like to have someone here explain to me how the current Obama/Democrat philosophy doesn't have us on the Greece track.

Recession recovery failure.
Failure at job growth.
Energy policy doomed to fail our economy.
Obamacare increasing the debt.
All time high for people getting food stamps.

It's becoming apparent the democrats entire goal is to get as many people on government assistance as possible. We all lose.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:50 AM   #91
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I could, but I'm not going to bother.

I can tell you that that nonsense graph you keep posting is filled with assumptions about economic growth and the shape of future legislation and that it would look completely different if you change those assumptions.
Okay, so just so we are straight, you are just going dismiss the Congressional Budget Office analysis for evidence you don't feel like sharing with the rest of us?



Oh, and it is fairly easy to calculate the effect Wars have on the budget as well as loss of revenue from tax cuts.
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Old 10-22-2013, 09:53 AM   #92
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Are you then agreeing, that the biggest cause of debts are War and Tax cuts?
You mean spending? (war)

And not taking more money away from private citizens for other govt spending aka overtaxing them to handle this balance sheets on spending?

Did you know that our govt is not funded only by taxes but also by inflation and borrowing money? If our govt were only funded by taxes there would be no money left for most in the private sector and there would have been a revolution a LONG time ago.

The premise of your argument is lame as it doesn't address the root causes of debt--which is govt spending for an over sized giganormous govt. You missing the forest for the trees.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:00 AM   #93
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You mean spending? (war)

And not taking more money away from private citizens for other govt spending aka overtaxing them to handle this balance sheets on spending?

Did you know that our govt is not funded only by taxes but also by inflation and borrowing money? If our govt were only funded by taxes there would be no money left for most in the private sector and there would have been a revolution a LONG time ago.

The premise of your argument is lame as it doesn't address the root causes of debt--which is govt spending for an over sized giganormous govt. You missing the forest for the trees.
So, you think I think that Wars aren't spending?

You are too wierd.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:02 AM   #94
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Can you provide any evidence for that?

Not only is that chart old, its mislabeled. Bush-ers tax cuts should be labeled 'Obamas American Tax Relief Act of 2012' since Obama now owns tax policy. In that act BTW, was a raise in taxes on the rich from 35% to 39.6%.

But don't let current events get in the way of the argument you're trying to make.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:14 AM   #95
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Not only is that chart old, its mislabeled. Bush-ers tax cuts should be labeled 'Obamas American Tax Relief Act of 2012' since Obama now owns tax policy. In that act BTW, was a raise in taxes on the rich from 35% to 39.6%.

But don't let current events get in the way of the argument you're trying to make.
The arguement I am trying to make is our debt is because of Tax Cuts and Wars.

I could care less about Bush/Obama. What, do you think I want Bush to fix the problem some how?

No, I want the problem fixed.

Yes, I did not want temporary tax cuts extended during such a deficit. They were passed during a surplus. That ended.

Yes, I want War spending stopped.

And if you have any information that shows anything is adding to the deficit more than Wars, Tax Cuts, recession and health care costs, please do share.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:16 AM   #96
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Let's not pretend this is only caused by the Democrats....they are the main culprits but it's not like Bush cut the deficit....Each admin(no matter affiliation) gets worse.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:19 AM   #97
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Around the same time republicans did when Bush was spending money like a drunken sailor, I suppose. Oh, I forgot, over here republicans are thought of as financially savvy, no matter what history shows.
I was going to post a tongue in cheek response that Dems will [pretend to] worry about debt when it's on the other side's watch, but looks like some dumbass already made a strikingly similar observation in earnest.

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Old 10-22-2013, 10:27 AM   #98
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The arguement I am trying to make is our debt is because of Tax Cuts and Wars.

I could care less about Bush/Obama. What, do you think I want Bush to fix the problem some how?

No, I want the problem fixed.

Yes, I did not want temporary tax cuts extended during such a deficit. They were passed during a surplus. That ended.

Yes, I want War spending stopped.

And if you have any information that shows anything is adding to the deficit more than Wars, Tax Cuts, recession and health care costs, please do share.
Im just making sure you weren't blaming tax cuts only on one party. Even with the already increased rates of the rich we're still heading over the cliff so the middle class better get used to the idea of paying more.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:33 AM   #99
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Repubs had no problem running up the deficit during the Bush years. Odd how they only started caring about deficits since 2008.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #100
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Repubs had no problem running up the deficit during the Bush years. Odd how they only started caring about deficits since 2008.
They were very slow to pay attention. When do you think the Democrats will start to care? I think that was the origional question.



Loneiguana since you won’t answer my question can you make me a Graph to see what it would look like if we still had a top Tax Bracket of over 90% like we did back with JFK and LBJ before that rat fink Nixon slashed it to a paltry 70% .
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #101
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Okay, so just so we are straight, you are just going dismiss the Congressional Budget Office analysis for evidence you don't feel like sharing with the rest of us?



Oh, and it is fairly easy to calculate the effect Wars have on the budget as well as loss of revenue from tax cuts.
No "evidence" is required for people who understand this subject and I don't feel like tutoring you on this basic concept right now.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:31 PM   #102
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So you didn't answer the question I asked and are now changing the topic. You don't know what you are talking about and are simply too stupid to know it.

Bush's fiscal year 2007, which runs from Oct 06- Sept 07 was $161B.
And then FY 2008 was $458B
And then FY 2009 (Oct 08 - Sept 09) was $1.4T

Digging out of the Bush hole has been expensive, but the budget deficit has gone lower each of the Obama years.

And tough shit if you don't like Bush mentioned. It's plenty ****ing relevant.
Who is the stupid one? I mean really. Obummer had increased our debt much more than all previous presidents combined, yet you are trying to weasel your way out of that. You've got to have blinders on. Your stupid party has been the party to tax, and spend, spend, spend for over half a century, and you try to push that blame off on the Republicans. Just because you believe everything that the lame stream media puts out, shows just how ignorant you really are. All of your welfare programs are killing this country, by adding more, and more people to the completely dependent on government assistance. All this does, is buy your party more votes, and add to our debt. You idiots cannot see the damage you're doing, and you obviously don't care. If you don't like our Constitution, and Bill of Rights, then GTFO, and I'm sure we can find many that do like those items, to help you pack.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:37 PM   #103
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Who is the stupid one? I mean really. Obummer had increased our debt much more than all previous presidents combined, yet you are trying to weasel your way out of that. You've got to have blinders on. Your stupid party has been the party to tax, and spend, spend, spend for over half a century, and you try to push that blame off on the Republicans. Just because you believe everything that the lame stream media puts out, shows just how ignorant you really are. All of your welfare programs are killing this country, by adding more, and more people to the completely dependent on government assistance. All this does, is buy your party more votes, and add to our debt. You idiots cannot see the damage you're doing, and you obviously don't care. If you don't like our Constitution, and Bill of Rights, then GTFO, and I'm sure we can find many that do like those items, to help you pack.

You know that the deficit has been shrinking the last year or two as the recovery (lame though it is) picks up a bit of steam, right? You know that the deficit over the last few years is as much or more tied to decreased tax revenues as it is increased spending, which has actually been flat for the last couple of years, as we phased out of Iraq, Tarp came to an end, etc., right?
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:46 PM   #104
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You know that the deficit has been shrinking the last year or two as the recovery (lame though it is) picks up a bit of steam, right? You know that the deficit over the last few years is as much or more tied to decreased tax revenues as it is increased spending, which has actually been flat for the last couple of years, as we phased out of Iraq, Tarp came to an end, etc., right?
Well we Raised Taxes and Cut the increase in spending with the sequester but I really don't think we have done anything for the long term issue. We are predicting a cut in the deficit meaning we will still be digging the hole just not quite as quickly for a couple years but, the size of the debt is taking on a life of its own.

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Old 10-22-2013, 03:05 PM   #105
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You neither adjusted for inflation nor accounted for the most serious financial collapse since the Great Depression, which crushed tax revenues.

It's not like Obama went on a wild spending spree during his first term...
And Obummer spent like a drunken sailor, thinking it would bring us out of that financial collapse. If you're going broke/bankrupt, you don't spend more, or what you don't have to try to right the ship. Doing that will only make the hole deeper. He did go on a wild assed spending spree, and continues to do so, to this day. If you don't believe me, just check to see how much our debt increases every second of every day. We just broke 17 trillion in debt, and still climbing. It's funny how you idiots want to blame all of Obummer's short comings on Bush, yet when the shoe is on the other foot, and a Republican is in the WH, it's all on that Republican president. All of you libs are such idiots, because you seem to believe every little thing that the lame stream communist media puts out. Get your heads out of the sand, and/or your asses, and realize that the spending this current admin is doing, is killing this country for generations to come. Realize that I never said that other presidents weren't responsible for part of the debt, but the idiot in charge now, has done more damage than the rest of them combined, and you can't see it. WOW, just friggin' WOW! Did all of you libtards get free frontal lobotomies at birth, to have such a short sighted way of looking at things, or is it that you don't want to see the truth, because it goes against your communist way of thinking????
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