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Old 10-21-2013, 10:02 AM  
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HealthCare.Gov Needs Five Million Code Lines Rewritten

Obamacare’s online exchanges have been riddled with problems since they came online three weeks ago, and those issues may continue for at least the next few weeks. Contractors said fixing the problems by the November 1 deadline set by the administration would be “unrealistic,” according to the New York Times.

From the sluggish websites to garbled enrollment information, the flaws require the extensive rewriting of code: “One specialist said that as many as five million lines of software code may need to be rewritten before the Web site runs properly,” the Times reports — that’s out of a total of approximately 500 million lines of code, according to another expert.

Others experts warned that some of the website’s problems are yet to come. One technical specialist involved in the repair effort said, “The account creation and registration problems are masking the problems that will happen later.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...andrew-johnson

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Old 10-21-2013, 10:05 AM   #2
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Well if one specialist said it then it must be the gospel
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:10 AM   #3
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Well if one specialist said it then it must be the gospel
One thing is fairly certain, it won't be fixed anytime soon.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:13 AM   #4
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One thing is fairly certain, it won't be fixed anytime soon.
The website or the whole program?
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:15 AM   #5
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The website or the whole program?
The website and consequently the entire program.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:26 AM   #6
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:37 AM   #7
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Only thing that is going to fix this website is a complete redo of it.

The underlying infrastructure is bad. Really bad.

No amount of 'coding' fixes are going to fix it. You need to fix that back end and that is going to take a lot of time.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:16 PM   #8
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Lines of code?

For something that huge and intricate that really isn't that much. At all.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:18 PM   #9
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Well if one specialist said it then it must be the gospel
If that one specialist was AustinChief, then, yeah. Dude knows EVERYTHING.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:21 PM   #10
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Lines of code?

For something that huge and intricate that really isn't that much. At all.
this isn't saying that the whole thing isn't a mess...but...that isn't a staggering number for the scale of the project.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:51 PM   #11
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this isn't saying that the whole thing isn't a mess...but...that isn't a staggering number for the scale of the project.
People see 5 MILLION and think it's huge, but you're correct it really isn't. I can knock out thousands of lines of code in no time by myself and regularly do.

The problem is... you never know if it is ONLY that much code or if that is just enough of a fix to let you find out the NEXT set of problems.

We'll know a lot more by mid November.
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Only thing that is going to fix this website is a complete redo of it.

The underlying infrastructure is bad. Really bad.

No amount of 'coding' fixes are going to fix it. You need to fix that back end and that is going to take a lot of time.
This. My understanding in talking with some consultants is that the public sector infrastructure in general is frighteningly bad. And that's not even for Obamacare, that's in general. These are people who specialize in IT consulting.
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If that one specialist was AustinChief, then, yeah. Dude knows EVERYTHING.
It's nice to see you finally recognizing this fact!

But alas, it wasn't me saying this so the 5 million lines figure could be complete BS. Fact is, I doubt even the people heavily involved will know for certain how much needs to be fixed until it IS FIXED. That's just the nature of the beast in a project like this.
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People see 5 MILLION and think it's huge, but you're correct it really isn't. I can knock out thousands of lines of code in no time by myself and regularly do.

The problem is... you never know if it is ONLY that much code or if that is just enough of a fix to let you find out the NEXT set of problems.

We'll know a lot more by mid November.
Anyone who runs a business knows the implications.

This code will take a long time to fix. And then you have to assume there aren't problems on top of that. While you're fixing it, you have to hire more call support to fix it. You probably have to hire more coders, and consultants to manage the coders. During that time, you will lose frustrated "customers" who were interested, but didn't want to deal with the hassle. Quite possibly, you'll have a data breach where information is wrongly leaked, and you have to deal with that hassle.

And during all this time, you've incurred a shitload more cost. And you're going to seriously underachieve the break-even number of customers required to make this solution positive ROI. And as your cost goes up, your breakeven goes up too, making it even tougher.
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It's nice to see you finally recognizing this fact!

But alas, it wasn't me saying this so the 5 million lines figure could be complete BS. Fact is, I doubt even the people heavily involved will know for certain how much needs to be fixed until it IS FIXED. That's just the nature of the beast in a project like this.
So probably a complete rewrite?
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