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Old 10-21-2013, 10:02 AM  
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HealthCare.Gov Needs Five Million Code Lines Rewritten

Obamacare’s online exchanges have been riddled with problems since they came online three weeks ago, and those issues may continue for at least the next few weeks. Contractors said fixing the problems by the November 1 deadline set by the administration would be “unrealistic,” according to the New York Times.

From the sluggish websites to garbled enrollment information, the flaws require the extensive rewriting of code: “One specialist said that as many as five million lines of software code may need to be rewritten before the Web site runs properly,” the Times reports — that’s out of a total of approximately 500 million lines of code, according to another expert.

Others experts warned that some of the website’s problems are yet to come. One technical specialist involved in the repair effort said, “The account creation and registration problems are masking the problems that will happen later.”

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Old 10-21-2013, 06:03 PM   #31
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With the "big boys" getting involved (not for free I presume), are we still paying the ****ape company that launched this POS? They need to be put out of business and sued for non performance.
hell, the canadians fired these guys from some it thing or another...

are we not as smart as the canadians?
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:04 PM   #32
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From what I have heard it's actually a number of big boys getting involved at this point. But like I said, I'd guess it's really a "wait and see" until at least mid November.

At which point you SHOULD have a site that works with one month for people to log in and find out that they are being forced to buy insurance at rates they can't afford which is why they eschewed buying it in the first place.
How can they not extend the enrollment period?
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:10 PM   #33
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hell, the canadians fired these guys from some it thing or another...

are we not as smart as the canadians?
We still have the smartest techs in the world. We don't have a monopoly, but the best and brighest still work for American companies.

But, the best techs I've ever seen, some of the smartest people on the planet, already made money in retail etc, work for the military for pure patriotic reasons.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:21 PM   #34
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We still have the smartest techs in the world. We don't have a monopoly, but the best and brighest still work for American companies.

But, the best techs I've ever seen, some of the smartest people on the planet, already made money in retail etc, work for the military for pure patriotic reasons.
Then why did we hire this POS Canadian company? Damn, the one thing we still do well in this country and we hire flipping Canadians.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:21 PM   #35
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Only non-techs see 5 million lines of code and freak out. It's some work, but not a freak out scenerio.

I don't know if this is public information yet or not. A major company in web sites and code building has been brought in. They have developed websites with BILLIONS of daily users, registering and providing content to clients.

I'm assuming they are doing this because of their feelings towards Obama to help out. But whatever there reasons, there is no one better in the field.
The 5 million lines of code is a significant issue and an indication of significant problems, but frankly the most appalling aspect is that ENTIRE project took 500 million lines of code.

That indicates such a massive degree of incompetence that it's almost unfathomable. The simple reality is the more lines of code you write the more bugs you create(note I'm not saying small for the sake of being small, I'm saying clean and well designed). Resuse tested code as much as practical because it helps reduce the chance of introducing new bugs. You want code to be lean and flexible.

For that project to have grown so large shows a number of significant design failures and failures all along the process to control the development. For that much code to have been written(unless 95+% of it is test related code) shows that no one was in charge of the overall architecture.

I'm betting the wheel was reinvented at least 15 times in developing that code. Too many times developers want to write their own version of a function because they think they can squeeze an extra 1-2% of performance out of it. Sometimes it's because they don't want to look at other peoples code and frankly sometimes it's just pure ego. 500 million lines of code just says the number of problems we see today is only the beginning.

For reference, windows 7-8, around 40-50 million lines of code. OSX ~89 million lines of code. Things like mySQL are ~1-12million(I've heard conflicting reports).

Unless they're counting the total lines of code for all the system they had to integrate with, the 500 million number is crazy. Talk about government inefficiency at it's finest. I wonder if one of the deliverable was based upon how much code was written. Just say no to software obesity.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:26 PM   #36
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This is a no brainer. Several insurance companies already do this and several 3rd party companies already do this such as e-insurance.

The fact is it was a money grab by a bunch of people that simply don't give a ****. As I understand it, the project went several $100 million over budget and they want to chalk this up to a "glitch"? And they say "even Apple has glitches?" The thing is, Apple fixes their glitches.

3 years was more than enough time to have developed, alpha and beta tested then went into production pilots before launch date. It just comes down to the fact that they simply didn't give a **** if it worked or not.
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:30 PM   #37
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This is a no brainer. Several insurance companies already do this and several 3rd party companies already do this such as e-insurance.

The fact is it was a money grab by a bunch of people that simply don't give a ****. As I understand it, the project went several $100 million over budget and they want to chalk this up to a "glitch"? And they say "even Apple has glitches?" The thing is, Apple fixes their glitches.

3 years was more than enough time to have developed, alpha and beta tested then went into production pilots before launch date. It just comes down to the fact that they simply didn't give a **** if it worked or not.
I'm pretty sure they wanted it to work but couldn't get it done. Which makes it that much worse...
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Old 10-21-2013, 06:33 PM   #39
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I'm pretty sure they wanted it to work but couldn't get it done. Which makes it that much worse...
If they cared it would have been dealt with in a much different manner and most likely would not have been as ****ed up.

All they cared about was passing the damn bill and that's it. They didn't even read that, for Christ's sake. So WTF would anyone expect them to actually care if it works properly or not? I am not talking about the tech-level people who worked on the projects. I am talking about the Sebelius's
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If they cared it would have been dealt with in a much different manner and most likely would not have been as ****ed up.

All they cared about was passing the damn bill and that's it. They didn't even read that, for Christ's sake. So WTF would anyone expect them to actually care if it works properly or not? I am not talking about the tech-level people who worked on the projects. I am talking about the Sebelius's
You are assuming competent leadership from the top. We both know the answer to that...
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I don't know where you are getting your information but its not Verizon coming in to save the site.
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Just don't tell what you shouldn't tell, which you know...
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