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Old 10-21-2013, 11:02 AM  
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HealthCare.Gov Needs Five Million Code Lines Rewritten

Obamacare’s online exchanges have been riddled with problems since they came online three weeks ago, and those issues may continue for at least the next few weeks. Contractors said fixing the problems by the November 1 deadline set by the administration would be “unrealistic,” according to the New York Times.

From the sluggish websites to garbled enrollment information, the flaws require the extensive rewriting of code: “One specialist said that as many as five million lines of software code may need to be rewritten before the Web site runs properly,” the Times reports — that’s out of a total of approximately 500 million lines of code, according to another expert.

Others experts warned that some of the website’s problems are yet to come. One technical specialist involved in the repair effort said, “The account creation and registration problems are masking the problems that will happen later.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...andrew-johnson

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Old 10-21-2013, 09:52 PM   #61
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You seem to have a lot of anger towards anything Obama. What are you going to do when another Democrat is in the White House in 2016?
I have expressed anger at both parties. I've been yelled at by tons of Republicans on this board.

There is no way any liberal can defend Obamacare. It's a nightmare.
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:55 PM   #62
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As a rough comparison of the shitstorm that is the obummercare website. If the NYT article is accurate in the 500 million lines of code....

Facebook ~62million LOC
Obummercare ~500million LOC

http://www.quora.com/Facebook-Engine...de-is-Facebook

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The Android codebase is over 4 million and the main site without the backend code is 62 million.

Clarification: The new count includes the entire git repository: data, binaries, third-party and all. Thanks to Adam Hupp for pointing this out to me. The number is from running

git ls-files | xargs cat | wc -l
Note the number may be overestimating some, but given those who recommend it probably not a huge amount....
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:59 PM   #63
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As a rough comparison of the shitstorm that is the obummercare website. If the NYT article is accurate in the 500 million lines of code....

Facebook ~62million LOC
Obummercare ~500million LOC

http://www.quora.com/Facebook-Engine...de-is-Facebook



Note the number may be overestimating some, but given those who recommend it probably not a huge amount....
Between all the "pro bono" work and the enormous added cost of damage control, there's going to be a lot of creative accounting. I sure as shit hope we account for every single penny this thing is going to cost.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:35 PM   #64
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C'mon guys....you gotta code it before you can find out what's in it.
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:49 PM   #65
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How in the hell does the government outsource a project like this?
According to CNN, it was CGI Inc, which is a Canadian company, but the US unit of that company, so it wasn't outsourced in the usual sense.

Still, a pretty good case study of why we don't need to privatize everything we do.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:41 AM   #66
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According to CNN, it was CGI Inc, which is a Canadian company, but the US unit of that company, so it wasn't outsourced in the usual sense.

Still, a pretty good case study of why we don't need to privatize everything we do.
How do you figure, given that the majority of the work the private sector had to do was to fix unbelievably messed up infrastructure, which forced the launch of this tool at an extraordinarily rushed timeline? And the most critical component of a product launch is the project managers and leaders overseeing the project, and guess where those people came from. The public sector.

Most importantly, the private sector forces competition. Obamacare wouldn't fail because you'd have multiple competitors competing for this, and guess what, the disaster of a solution implemented right now would be out of business right now.

This is clearly a solution that should be developed in the private sector and it took an incredibly cocky leader to believe that the public sector has any business handling a major solution to this. It's an insult to business leaders everywhere, and it shows.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:03 AM   #67
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How do you figure, given that the majority of the work the private sector had to do was to fix unbelievably messed up infrastructure, which forced the launch of this tool at an extraordinarily rushed timeline? And the most critical component of a product launch is the project managers and leaders overseeing the project, and guess where those people came from. The public sector.

Most importantly, the private sector forces competition. Obamacare wouldn't fail because you'd have multiple competitors competing for this, and guess what, the disaster of a solution implemented right now would be out of business right now.

This is clearly a solution that should be developed in the private sector and it took an incredibly cocky leader to believe that the public sector has any business handling a major solution to this. It's an insult to business leaders everywhere, and it shows.
Are you proposing handing out bids without federal oversight?
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:57 PM   #68
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Are you proposing handing out bids without federal oversight?
What I hate about the bidding process is that it assumes there is one winner and multiple losers. The beauty of the private sector is that you have multiple companies competing with each other, and the best one to market wins.

Instead, we forced a bad solution into terrible public sector infrastructure and put as the captain of the ship a bunch of public sector leaders who have no experience running a project like this, let alone of this magnitude.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:40 PM   #69
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What I hate about the bidding process is that it assumes there is one winner and multiple losers. The beauty of the private sector is that you have multiple companies competing with each other, and the best one to market wins.

Instead, we forced a bad solution into terrible public sector infrastructure and put as the captain of the ship a bunch of public sector leaders who have no experience running a project like this, let alone of this magnitude.
Private sector = Best wins
Government sector = Cheapest bid wins
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:23 PM   #70
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The hilarious thing here is that it really shouldn't be that damned complicated. I do not know of a major insurance company that isn't already exposing web service endpoints of one form or another. Specifying a common query method and dataset result object is elementary. Database design for this type of project is nothing out of the ordinary. The most difficult parts would be tying into the tax records and banking, but none of that should prevent basic signups (ID verification and data collection is all that's needed). Basically, a Commerce Server site with custom verification module, SQL back end, and Biz Talk Orchestrations. In other words, stuff most major companies have implemented themselves for years.
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Old 10-22-2013, 11:42 PM   #71
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This is what you get when you put people in jobs that they clearly have no business being in, starting with the Snake head first.

No accountability for anything no one gets fired they just get put in a different job.

36 more months of this God help Us Then another snake will try to take over and keep pushing government in every aspect of our lives.
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According to CNN, it was CGI Inc, which is a Canadian company, but the US unit of that company, so it wasn't outsourced in the usual sense.

Still, a pretty good case study of why we don't need to privatize everything we do.

Uh... What?

This is being blamed on the private market? They gave a no-bid contract to a Canadian firm that had been recently fired by the Canadian government, and you're taking this as a proof that the free market doesn't work?
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:17 AM   #74
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When the story of all of this finally comes out and is written, it's going to be a huge stinging indictment of the Obama administration and the utter inability of government to operate without cronyism and corruption.
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The hilarious thing here is that it really shouldn't be that damned complicated. I do not know of a major insurance company that isn't already exposing web service endpoints of one form or another. Specifying a common query method and dataset result object is elementary. Database design for this type of project is nothing out of the ordinary. The most difficult parts would be tying into the tax records and banking, but none of that should prevent basic signups (ID verification and data collection is all that's needed). Basically, a Commerce Server site with custom verification module, SQL back end, and Biz Talk Orchestrations. In other words, stuff most major companies have implemented themselves for years.
No, it's very out of the ordinary actually. This isn't just a relational database thing going on. They're wanting to do NSA style datamining with this stuff, meaning stuff like Hadoop, HBase, and NoSQL out the ear. Who knows exactly what technologies they're using, but it's all the usual big data suspects.

That's why this supposed "Tech Surge" is laughable. The private sector has been trying to have a tech surge like this for the last 5 years and the problem they're running into is the skills aren't there. Kids are coming out of college without a clue what to do with a computer. They're skilled enough to enter the job force of a decade ago, meanwhile, the rosters for tech companies are going unfilled because there aren't enough qualified people to fill the jobs - and the idea that people are going to leave Google and Facebook and Twitter etc. to go work on a ship that everybody knows is sinking isn't too attractive.

The rollout they're trying for is a lot more complicated than people know. It's like the Wright Brothers trying to build a space shuttle 3 years after their first flight..
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