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Old 10-24-2013, 01:58 AM  
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INTERPOL chief suggests we disarm the citizenry

Crap...did I say he suggests we disarm....stupid typo....I meant to say he suggests we arm the citizenry....

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclus...ry?id=20637341

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Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said today the U.S. and the rest of the democratic world is at a security crossroads in the wake of last month's deadly al-Shabab attack at a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya – and suggested an answer could be in arming civilians.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Noble said there are really only two choices for protecting open societies from attacks like the one on Westgate mall where so-called "soft targets" are hit: either create secure perimeters around the locations or allow civilians to carry their own guns to protect themselves.

"Societies have to think about how they're going to approach the problem," Noble said. "One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that. Another is to say the enclaves are so secure that in order to get into the soft target you're going to have to pass through extraordinary security."

Noble's comments came only moments after the official opening of the 82nd annual gathering of the Interpol's governing body, the General Assembly. The session is being held in Cartagena, Colombia, and is being used to highlight strides over the last decade in Colombia's battle against the notorious drug cartels that used to be the real power in the country.

The secretary general, an American who previously headed up all law enforcement for the U.S. Treasury Department, told reporters during a brief news conference that the Westgate mall attack marks what has long been seen as "an evolution in terrorism." Instead of targets like the Pentagon and World Trade Center that now have far more security since 9/11, attackers are focusing on sites with little security that attract large numbers of people.

At least 67 were killed over a period of days at the Westgate mall, more than 60 of the dead were civilians. The Somalia-based al Qaeda-allied terror group al-Shabab claimed responsibility for the attack as it was ongoing but investigators are still trying to determine exactly who planned the strike, where they are and what is next for them. U.S. authorities in Uganda, fearing another similar incident in Africa, issued a warning late last week.

Citing a recent call for al Qaeda "brothers to strike soft targets, to do it in small groups," Noble said law enforcement is now facing a daunting task.

"How do you protect soft targets? That's really the challenge. You can't have armed police forces everywhere," he told reporters. "It's Interpol's view that one way you protect soft targets is you make it more difficult for terrorist to move internationally. So what we're trying to do is to establish a way for countries … to screen passports, which are a terrorist's best friend, try to limit terrorists moving from country to country. And also, that we're able to share more info about suspected terrorists."

In the interview with ABC News, Noble was more blunt and directed his comments to his home country.

"Ask yourself: If that was Denver, Col., if that was Texas, would those guys have been able to spend hours, days, shooting people randomly?" Noble said, referring to states with pro-gun traditions. "What I'm saying is it makes police around the world question their views on gun control. It makes citizens question their views on gun control. You have to ask yourself, 'Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism?' This is something that has to be discussed."

"For me it's a profound question," he continued. "People are quick to say 'gun control, people shouldn't be armed,' etc., etc. I think they have to ask themselves: 'Where would you have wanted to be? In a city where there was gun control and no citizens armed if you're in a Westgate mall, or in a place like Denver or Texas?'"

Prior to the Westgate attack, the gun control debate has been ignited time and time again in the U.S. in the aftermath of a series of mass shootings, including one in a movie theater in Aurora, Col., a suburb of Denver.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:21 AM   #2
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I really wouldn't worry about this for the next couple of years. Or ever really. The rise of the conservatives that is happening right now isn't a passing fad that can be defeated and just go away. We're talking about a permanent movement in this country that is winning by moving it ever right ward. Actually, that's not exactly accurate.

The right left paradigm is collapsing in front of our eyes and the replacement paradigm that is emerging is "Libertarian vs. Authoritarian." This is what the battle in the Republican party amounts to right now, and it's one that will envelope the politics of America for the foreseeable future.

This president couldn't pass a bill to officially call Tiger Woods a pretty good golfer right now, there's no way he's going to be able to get any sort of gun stripping law passed.

But, for those who are worried about it and would like to take action, the first thing they should be concerned about is the increasing militarization of our police departments. There's a great article about this, in of all places, Red State, discussing how the war on drugs has turned into something that all conservatives should be concerned about.

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Old 10-24-2013, 02:32 AM   #3
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The right left paradigm is collapsing in front of our eyes and the replacement paradigm that is emerging is "Libertarian vs. Authoritarian."
I agree, but the bread is so yummy and the circus is in town.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:20 AM   #4
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Sounds dangerous....we can't have armed citizenry.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:34 AM   #5
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Even though it's Interpol, I think this is pretty valid. We really only have three options for security.

1. We decide that these things just happen, and we can't control them.

2. We allow citizens to everywhere defend themselves.

3. We implement a police state where the government tries to control, check, and supervise everyone, everything, and every place all the time because you can never be sure where or when something might happen.

Of course, compromises will be made but we currently are just hurtling toward a fuller implementation of 3 with the NSA, TSA, DHS, militarization of police, etc model.

Even with massive increases in manpower and expenditure, #3 will never be able to be everywhere, as #2 can.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:36 AM   #6
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Secondly, when one of these shootings is going on, say at a workplace, what does government end up doing? Do they rush in and stop the violence? No, they surround the place and wait for the experts to arrive and plan some sort of assault, by which time the whole thing is usually over.

It's not like this reactive approach even works when it "works".
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:40 AM   #7
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Sounds dangerous....we can't have armed citizenry.
you should try going to a mall in east africa -- now that is danger
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:36 AM   #8
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you should try going to a mall in east africa -- now that is danger
I would but Piers Morgan told me it's too dangerous...I won't leave my bed.....if you see a home invader next to my house call the police...they will handle it!
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