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Old 10-24-2013, 09:07 AM  
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McDonald's helps workers get food stamps.

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Nancy Salgado, who has worked at a Chicago McDonald's for 10 years and makes $8.25 an hour, asked the McResource representative a number of questions related to getting assistance to pay for her heating bill, her groceries and her sister's medical expenses. Salgado told the representative that she was recording the call for her sister.

The helpline operator never asked Salgado how much she made per hour, and how many hours per week she worked beyond the fact that she was a full-time employee. But she said that Salgado "definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance."

The representative then pointed her toward a number of resources in Chicago, such as food pantries and a program that would help cover some of her heating bill. She said she would email her specific phone numbers and programs.

The operator also explained that the McResource line is available to help McDonald's workers who need help navigating the process of getting public assistance. The helpline's phone number is posted in fliers at many McDonald's locations.
Nice of McDonalds to help get its employees on the gov't teet.

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Old 10-24-2013, 07:21 PM   #181
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People on SNAP should do some kind of community service to receive them.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:27 PM   #182
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Of course not. These companies aren't community resource programs. But yes, those companies can continue to do exactly what they are doing as long as there is labor available, otherwise there would be no "need" (I'm not against it, but it's debatable) for minimum wage legislation in the first place. The biggest benefit that those social programs have is that they can help someone out while they maintain employment as they work on improving their situations. Way back in the early 90's there were fast food places in Colorado already starting people at $10 an hour with benefits packages. It was the only way they could get employees and they still had to shut down their drive through lines because they couldn't handle the business. They called it "coning" and I was surprised when they mentioned it. Supply and demand.

What is especially hilarious is you don't understand that "supply and demand" that you think is somehow a rebuttal to the socialization of costs, is actually an exact reason middle wages of stagnated while the value of the minimum wage has decreased.

When you cannot survive on the bottom rung of society without government assistance, that drives everyone, not only to college, but into the demand force for middle class jobs.

Congratulations, our insistence that a 40 hour a week job for a multi billion dollar company should qualify for food stamps insures an increase competition for the middle class jobs, helping drive the stagnation of the last three decades.

The low function, but hardworking deserve a job. And the Reality of the situation today is that the service industry is where those people are now employed.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:48 PM   #183
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You raise prices. Mine stay the same. I earn more because of increase traffic.

Only minimum wage goes up. How many more people are willing to spend more money?

Prices reflect what the market will tolerate, not a simple equation of costs.

Also, you assume that increase labor cost automatically leads to an increase in total costs, without looking at factor that decrease costs, such as productivity, retention, and various other things such as safety or quality of service/product.

I provided a source. You could at least do the same.
If minimum wages go up, costs for everything will go up. Yeah Mickey D's has competition, but how many of them will keep their prices the same, when their labor costs go up? I'd bet none. You keep going out on a limb saying that stuff won't go up. Have you noticed the increased costs at the stores, just because of increased fuel prices? If you say no, or they didn't increase, then you are blind as a bat, and a liar. Your source was a load of BS, and can't be trusted. Convicted of tax fraud=still a trustworthy source to the libtards. lmao
I do not need a source, and I still cannot post links, since I don't have enough posts, but what I've said is based off of common sense, which you obviously lack, and logic, which you never use.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:50 PM   #184
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What is especially hilarious is you don't understand that "supply and demand" that you think is somehow a rebuttal to the socialization of costs, is actually an exact reason middle wages of stagnated while the value of the minimum wage has decreased.
What is anything but hilarious is that you continue to demand that workers be overcompensated for unskilled labor. You relieve individuals from taking any action, demanding a larger share of the pie...for doing nothing.

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When you cannot survive on the bottom rung of society without government assistance, that drives everyone, not only to college, but into the demand force for middle class jobs.
As it should be. I'm not in favor of a cradle-to-grave nanny state.

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Congratulations, our insistence that a 40 hour a week job for a multi billion dollar company should qualify for food stamps insures an increase competition for the middle class jobs, helping drive the stagnation of the last three decades.
Actually here in Cali you don't qualify for food stamp working 40 hours a week at minimum wage. As I've shown in this very thread. Your histrionics and your hyperbole don't change that. There really isn't any reason for an able bodied individual not to "survive" unless there aren't any jobs that they can do. They should probably be thankful that the multi billion dollar companies exist and provide those jobs.

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The low function, but hardworking deserve a job. And the Reality of the situation today is that the service industry is where those people are now employed.
Again, as I've already pointed out, these are companies and not social programs. You're really just trying to charge companies for welfare instead of having it exist as a government program at this point.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:14 AM   #185
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What is anything but hilarious is that you continue to demand that workers be overcompensated for unskilled labor. You relieve individuals from taking any action, demanding a larger share of the pie...for doing nothing.
Yes, these workers don't work. And being able to afford the basics in a society they work in is overcompensation.... Even though the government bumps up their pay by over 50 percent.

Piss on 100 years of labor tradition with in the U.S. that says 40 hours a week is enough time invested to participate in the economy.

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As it should be. I'm not in favor of a cradle-to-grave nanny state.

Right, because asking the employer to adequately pay their employees so they can meet the basic needs of society is nanny state.

You are the one that wants them on the government safety net.

You guys don't get to pull out the socialism card on this one

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Actually here in Cali you don't qualify for food stamp working 40 hours a week at minimum wage. As I've shown in this very thread. Your histrionics and your hyperbole don't change that. There really isn't any reason for an able bodied individual not to "survive" unless there aren't any jobs that they can do. They should probably be thankful that the multi billion dollar companies exist and provide those jobs.

You didn't prove anything as you continue to ignore families and focus on one state with one of the high minimum wages in the country. Plus every other benefit they qualify for, from health to lunch programs to tax credits.

Also, this isn't a rebuttal to the fact that a low minimum wage job drives down everyone's wage down by increasing demand.

And yes, we should be thankful these profitable companies bring jobs into the community that costs the taxpayers money by expansion of the entitlements. WHOOO! jobs that cost the taxpayer money!



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Again, as I've already pointed out, these are companies and not social programs. You're really just trying to charge companies for welfare instead of having it exist as a government program at this point.
No, they are jobs that you go to in order to be able to afford life in our society and these jobs are not doing that while remaining profitable.

No, I want companies to shoulder the cost of compensating an employee. And why shouldn't they?

Why should the government need to extend the social safety net to full time workers?

Why should a full time worker have to turn to the government just to afford food?


You are just in favor of privatizing the profits and socializing the losses. You are a crony capitalist, a corporate fascist.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:20 AM   #186
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If minimum wages go up, costs for everything will go up. Yeah Mickey D's has competition, but how many of them will keep their prices the same, when their labor costs go up? I'd bet none. You keep going out on a limb saying that stuff won't go up. Have you noticed the increased costs at the stores, just because of increased fuel prices? If you say no, or they didn't increase, then you are blind as a bat, and a liar. Your source was a load of BS, and can't be trusted. Convicted of tax fraud=still a trustworthy source to the libtards. lmao
I do not need a source, and I still cannot post links, since I don't have enough posts, but what I've said is based off of common sense, which you obviously lack, and logic, which you never use.
Have you noticed we have over 100 years of history with the minimum wage and inflation has outpaced the value of the minimum wage? That inflation has increased at a greater pace than the value of the minimum wage?

Do you know there is data out there from every time we raised the minimum wage? And a lot of it?

Did you know that data does not support your view?

Oh, and you are lying about the convicted for fraud. How cute.

Sare Lemos was the author of that study. I don't even think you have ever heard her name.

But she was never convicted of fraud. You are going to have to find another way to discredit data you don't agree with so you don't have to change your mind or even think about it.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:30 AM   #187
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I'll look forward to reading this thread when I get off of work tonight. I read something a few days ago that said a person who makes $50k a year contributes something like $36 to the SNAP program. $36. That makes me wonder how many douchebags I hear complaining about it that don't contribute jack nor shit to it on any level whatsoever. Or if they do, it doesn't equate to $50 a year, yet don't complain an ounce about the hundreds to thousands of their tax dollars paying for corporate tax breaks.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:38 AM   #188
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I'll look forward to reading this thread when I get off of work tonight. I read something a few days ago that said a person who makes $50k a year contributes something like $36 to the SNAP program. $36. That makes me wonder how many douchebags I hear complaining about it that don't contribute jack nor shit to it on any level whatsoever. Or if they do, it doesn't equate to $50 a year, yet don't complain an ounce about the hundreds to thousands of their tax dollars paying for corporate tax breaks.
It gets really bad, once you look at the numbers:




And that is just the cost to the taxpayers for providing assistance to workers of these companies. That doesn't even go into the other corporate subsides these companies may take advantage of. (Nor does the list include WalMart, which would be above McDonald's)

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Two new reports released this week have shed light on how America’s fast food companies have quietly outsourced a significant chunk of their labor costs to the taxpayer, with more than half of the industry’s 3.65 million low-wage workers on public assistance at a cost of $7 billion each year.

Researchers at the University of California, Berkeley released a study on Tuesday showing that front-line fast food workers earning a median wage of $8.69 an hour are more than twice as likely to rely on public benefits programs as the rest of the workforce — 52% compared to 25%.

Of that $7 billion, well over half — $3.9 billion — is spent on Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for fast food workers and their families. UC Berkeley’s researchers found that 68% of these low-wage earners are the main breadwinners in their households, with over a quarter raising children.

A companion report released by the National Employment Law Project found that the 10 biggest fast food corporations in the country are responsible for nearly 60%, or $3.8 billion, of the annual $7 billion outlaid by the taxpayer for low-wage workers. These same 10 companies made a cumulative $7.4 billion in profits in 2012, paying out an additional $7.7 billion in dividends and buybacks to shareholders.

The NELP compared just how much the public purse subsidizes labor costs at each of these ten restaurant chains. McDonald's MCD +0.5% topped the list, costing the taxpayer $1.2 billion annually in public assistance programs for their low-paid workers. Yum Brands comes in at a distant number two, with its Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC subsidiaries costing $648 million in benefits programs for workers each year.


The chair of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) reacted to the two reports in a statement to the press, describing the figures as “stark.”

Anyone concerned about the federal deficit only needs to look at this report to understand a major source of the problem: multi-billion dollar companies that pay poverty wages and then rely on taxpayers to pick up the slack, to the tune of a quarter of a trillion dollars every year in the form of public assistance to working families,” said Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa). “Seven billion of this is just for fast food workers, more than half of whom, even working full time, still must rely on programs like food stamps and Medicaid just to make ends meet.”

“In a nation as wealthy as the United States, no one who works hard for a living should live in poverty,” Harkin added. “Underpaying workers affects us all. These highly-profitable companies paying poverty wages should raise wages and listen to their workers’ demands to form a union. We should also increase the minimum wage, as I have proposed. These steps are not only the right thing to do for low-wage workers, but also the smart thing to do for the economy and for taxpayers.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoco...-to-taxpayers/
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:55 AM   #189
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Why couldn't the employees of McD form a union? Once the union is formed, the members could do collective bargain and demand a living wage much easier.
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Why couldn't the employees of McD form a union? Once the union is formed, the members could do collective bargain and demand a living wage much easier.
That sounds easier than what it realistically takes to do it.
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That sounds easier than what it realistically takes to do it.

It isn't easy, but these companies make it harder then it needs to be.

Unions are my favorite answer though.

A union will not let their members work a wage that requires government assistance.
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It isn't easy, but these companies make it harder then it needs to be.

Unions are my favorite answer though.

A union will not let their members work a wage that requires government assistance.
The problem is what can they ask for?

Like bump everyone to ten an hour and give them more food?

Cheap, or free, insurance and that kind of stuff will never happen.
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The problem is what can they ask for?

Like bump everyone to ten an hour and give them more food?

Cheap, or free, insurance and that kind of stuff will never happen.
What?

Cheap or free?

Give them food?

The wage is what allows a citizen to afford this. A wage that allows workers to participate in the economy and is what is needed.

Like, if a union provides insurance... That is calculated in the wage, compensation. The pay check would look something like this : Base pay+ 1 dollar an hour to retirement + 2 dollars an hour to insurance = Total pay.

A Union Bricklayer may make around 22 an hour, but they only bring home 17 an hour, because the other 5 go towards those costs.
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What?

Cheap or free?

Give them food?

The wage is what allows a citizen to afford this. A wage that allows workers to participate in the economy and is what is needed.

Like, if a union provides insurance... That is calculated in the wage, compensation. The pay check would look something like this : Base pay+ 1 dollar an hour to retirement + 2 dollars an hour to insurance = Total pay.
I like the thought process, but what are you going to pay some single mom with two kids to cover all the bases?

The answer is nothing, it will not happen even if she brings in a 100 regulars several times a week.
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