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Old 10-24-2013, 09:07 AM  
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McDonald's helps workers get food stamps.

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Nancy Salgado, who has worked at a Chicago McDonald's for 10 years and makes $8.25 an hour, asked the McResource representative a number of questions related to getting assistance to pay for her heating bill, her groceries and her sister's medical expenses. Salgado told the representative that she was recording the call for her sister.

The helpline operator never asked Salgado how much she made per hour, and how many hours per week she worked beyond the fact that she was a full-time employee. But she said that Salgado "definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance."

The representative then pointed her toward a number of resources in Chicago, such as food pantries and a program that would help cover some of her heating bill. She said she would email her specific phone numbers and programs.

The operator also explained that the McResource line is available to help McDonald's workers who need help navigating the process of getting public assistance. The helpline's phone number is posted in fliers at many McDonald's locations.
Nice of McDonalds to help get its employees on the gov't teet.

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Old 11-06-2013, 06:50 AM   #466
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Yeah, that's what he's been spouting off for weeks now. He doesn't consider that many of them don't even have a diploma, or GED, or at least that's what it's like around here. Many don't care what they look like, or anything else. They aren't motivated at all, but yet they deserve to be paid $15 per hour, according to LoneWorkersParty.
Because it is better for these people to live off the government rather than low skill, bottom of the rung jobs being able to support them, right?
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:58 AM   #467
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So what is meant by Free Market Capitalism?

Free-market capitalism is a network of free and voluntary exchanges in which producers work, produce, and exchange their products for the products of others through prices voluntarily arrived at. State capitalism consists of one or more groups making use of the coercive apparatus of the government… for themselves by expropriating the production of others by force and violence.

— Murray N. Rothbard, The Logic of Action (1997)

Let's not confuse it with state capitalism aka mercantilism, corporatism or neo mercantilism. Marx made the same error because he was actually observing British mercantilism when he wrote his diatribes against "capitalism" in order to promote socialism.
It wasn't free-market capitalism he had observed. This is important, imo, to understand because today's left makes the same error. So they trash what would be a real free-market including that one never existed fully in any country--a complete idiotic arbitrary.


The folks who accept an employment offer from McDonalds are still voluntarily agreeing to accept that wage. Even if their own situations are being ameliorated by any govt aid. If that's a factor then it has distorted the free-market process as opposed to be a subsidization of a business.
What is funny is you ARE a Corporate Fascists. You keep talking about Mercantilism, but as usual, you don't know what that means.

Mercantilism is not Corporatism.

Mercantilism is protective government policies aimed at growing local infant industries against large international industries. As in the British Case, their mercantilism was to protect their industries against Dutch industries. Mercantilism cannot be Corporatism because Mercantilism is about protecting industries while they are weak and unable to compete internationally.

Corporatism is strong, dominant, historical successful companies using that strength and influence to pervert the political process.

Corporate Fascists like yourself want corporatism, where corporations control everything, even government policy.

It doesn't surprise me that a Corporate Fascist doesn't understand the difference and would think that Corporate control is the same as the free market.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:04 AM   #468
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Conclusion Minimum wage increases have at least two purposes. The first is to lift the earnings of low-wage workers. Opponents of the policy have often raised the potential disemployment effects, but this analysis shows that minimum wage increases do not price low-wage workers out of the labor market. The employment effects, while negative in some models, never reach anywhere near the level where the benefits to low-wage workers would be outweighed by their costs in terms of job losses. These findings, especially when taking into consideration the characteristics and incomes of minimum wage workers and their families, provide convincing evidence that the policy is effective in raising the earnings of low-wage workers, most of whom (though not all) reside in below-average income households.

The second purpose of the minimum wage is to maintain a floor underneath the low-wage labor market. This role of the minimum is important, because low-wage workers have historically had the least bargaining power in the U.S. workforce. As shown in Table 1, they are least likely to be represented by unions and more likely to be female or minority, two groups whose wages and incomes have historically been lowered by discrimination. Figure 3 makes the point that this floor used to be significantly higher, high enough, in fact, to lift a working mother with two children above the poverty line. This is no longer the case, and this worker must now depend on other supports, such as food stamps and the Earned Income Tax Credit, to provide her family with an income that enables the family to meet its basic needs. These subsidies are an important part of a package of income supports that help working families make ends meet. But it should also be stressed that the minimum wage, which has the direct effect of raising the market wage paid to the low-wage workforce, is an important component of that policy package.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:05 AM   #469
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Because it is better for these people to live off the government rather than low skill, bottom of the rung jobs being able to support them, right?
Nope. They need to get off of their asses, and do something to improve their situation. Nobody owes them a ****ing thing, other than their wages, and you can't seem to understand that. WTF am I supposed to think when I walk into a fastfood place, and the person working the counter looks like they haven't showered in days, and is covered with tattoos, and body piercings? Am I supposed to feel sorry for them, and want to help them, either with tax money, or money from my own pocked? **** no, and that will never change with me. You need to get off of your stupid crusade of feeling sorry for everyone making minimum wage, and realize for a change, that many chose that lifestyle, and you can't make them change it, no matter what you do. You've got to be the most pussifed bleeding heart liberal that there ever was, and it's downright sickening.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:06 AM   #470
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:09 AM   #471
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Nope. They need to get off of their asses, and do something to improve their situation. Nobody owes them a ****ing thing, other than their wages, and you can't seem to understand that. WTF am I supposed to think when I walk into a fastfood place, and the person working the counter looks like they haven't showered in days, and is covered with tattoos, and body piercings? Am I supposed to feel sorry for them, and want to help them, either with tax money, or money from my own pocked? **** no, and that will never change with me. You need to get off of your stupid crusade of feeling sorry for everyone making minimum wage, and realize for a change, that many chose that lifestyle, and you can't make them change it, no matter what you do. You've got to be the most pussifed bleeding heart liberal that there ever was, and it's downright sickening.

So people need to work full time to support themselves, but only in jobs YOU find acceptable?

And those people who show up on time everyday and put in 40 hours at these jobs that you don't deem acceptable should what? just starve or continue to depend on your tax dollars?

And why would I want people to change? You are the one asking that, not me.

I want every American would who gets up and goes to work everyday to be able to support themselves, regardless of job.

Because you can call it a crap job all you want. That company is making a profit off those workers. That company needs those workers to profit. Those works should thus earn a wage that does require government assistance.

Again, why shouldn't the minimum wage increase alongside inflation?
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:17 AM   #472
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So people need to work full time to support themselves, but only in jobs YOU find acceptable?

And those people who show up on time everyday and put in 40 hours at these jobs that you don't deem acceptable should what? just starve or continue to depend on your tax dollars?

And why would I want people to change? You are the one asking that, not me.

I want every American would who gets up and goes to work everyday to be able to support themselves, regardless of job.

Because you can call it a crap job all you want. That company is making a profit off those workers. That company needs those workers to profit. Those works should thus earn a wage that does require government assistance.

Again, why shouldn't the minimum wage increase alongside inflation?
I'm not going to get into the whole minimum wage argument because it isn't something I'm well versed in and would probably be out of my element trying to make any strong points. I do have a question though....

What do you think the employer turnover rate is at a place like McDonalds?

And what do you think the normal demographic is for their employees?
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So people need to work full time to support themselves, but only in jobs YOU find acceptable?

And those people who show up on time everyday and put in 40 hours at these jobs that you don't deem acceptable should what? just starve or continue to depend on your tax dollars?

And why would I want people to change? You are the one asking that, not me.




Because you can call it a crap job all you want. That company is making a profit off those workers. That company needs those workers to profit. Those works should thus earn a wage that does require government assistance.

Again, why shouldn't the minimum wage increase alongside inflation?
There you go again, saying things I DID NOT say. Typical liberal tactic.
#1 is pure BS, because I never said that. #2, it doesn't matter whether we give them government money, or money from out pockets. Either way the consumer/everyday Joe is going to pay for it.

I want every American would who gets up and goes to work everyday to be able to support themselves, regardless of job.
That was your quote, and you've been told several times that shit has changed, and the majority of it has changed, because of the stupid liberal policies that started being implemented 60 years ago. You want to double minimum wage, but don't want to face the fact that it's the policies of people like you in government, that has made it so it's difficult to live on minimum wage. You can't see this, or will not accept it. That's your problem, and nobody else's.
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I'm not going to get into the whole minimum wage argument because it isn't something I'm well versed in and would probably be out of my element trying to make any strong points. I do have a question though....

What do you think the employer turnover rate is at a place like McDonalds?

And what do you think the normal demographic is for their employees?
None of that matters to him, because he's on a very important to him, crusade. He's trying to save the minimum wage worker.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:45 AM   #475
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What is funny is you ARE a Corporate Fascists. You keep talking about Mercantilism, but as usual, you don't know what that means.

Mercantilism is not Corporatism.
And YOU don't know the meaning of a comma.


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Mercantilism is protective government policies aimed at growing local infant industries against large international industries. As in the British Case, their mercantilism was to protect their industries against Dutch industries. Mercantilism cannot be Corporatism because Mercantilism is about protecting industries while they are weak and unable to compete internationally.
Again learn what a comma means.

Mercantilism is not a free market it's another certain business benefit from the state. So it is another state managed economy. That's what those have in common with each other.

Mercantilism creates barriers to entry by controlling market competition. What you call protecting weak companies. King's would grant a charter to a certain company and they would have that market. Others could not enter that market. For example the British East India Company.

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That's still NOT a free market. Corporatism today shares much with mercantilism in that it benefits govt connected businesses by assuring them of markets.

All those economic systems have differences in how they get connected to govt or the political process but none of them are free-market systems. The American system was actually a type of neo-mercantilism but with an American influence. It cames from Alexander Hamilton. Just look at his Report for Manufactures and you can see the similarities.

Do you get it now? Or are you putting things there to make distinctions without a real difference regarding my point? Or are you just making things more complicated to avoid understanding the point?

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Corporate Fascists like yourself want corporatism, where corporations control everything, even government policy.
No I am for free-enterprise capitalism where the govt doesn't manage the economy, has minimal to modest regulations that are straightforward where no business entity benefits from govt connections. That is not fascism by a long shot. You are the one who can't apply your definitions in the real world by looking at what is going on in reality.

You're the corporate fascist because you want to boss McDonald's around by coercing them with a wage control. That is not free market where supply and demand for labor determines the rate.

You advocate for controlled markets and spout a control ideology. You're anti-liberty.

You're the corporate fascist because you support Obama's Obamacare, whereby the WH actually promised insurance companies they'd get richer off of it. That's corporatism.

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I have been saying the opposite all along. You literally have incredibly bad reading comprehension skills and are economically illiterate.
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There you go again, saying things I DID NOT say. Typical liberal tactic.
He's does that the most of anyone here.

He's not a liberal tho. He's a commie-socialist advocating for wage controls.
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BEP, seriously, stop being stupid.

This is subsidizing profitable companies with tax payer dollars.

No one would go to a job that they cannot survive on. The only reason companies are able to get away with paying a wage no body can survive on is because they depend of the government to make it up.

Your entire argument is a failure because nothing about capitalism is paying under starvation wages

If a company cannot make a profit off a labor without paying a livable wage that company is not sustainable and will always require government assistance.

That is a fundamental fact.

I've given you one opportunity to address that, here is another one.
She can't stop. She has no idea of what logical fallacies actually are. She has zero clue about economics. She makes up definitions of words to fit her views.

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I have been saying the opposite all along. You literally have incredibly bad reading comprehension skills and are economically illiterate.
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Free-Market or Laissez-Faire Economics vs Mercantilism, Crony Capitalism, State Capitalism, Mercanilism, Corporatism, Neo Mercantilism, Fascism, Socialism, Mixed-Economies and Facialism ( What Progressives give us--a mix of socialism and fascism)
Laissez-faire economists oppose crony capitalism as well disparaging governmental favors as incompatible with a true free market.

Laissez-faire advocates criticize the term as an ideologically motivated attempt to cast what is in their view the fundamental problem of government intervention or “investments” as an avoidable aberration; free-market advocates refer to governmental favoritism as "crony socialism","venture socialism" or "corporatism, a modern form of mercantilism"[ I agree with this designation here as corporatism is neo-mercantilist] to emphasize that the only way to run a profitable business in such systems is to have help from corrupt government officials. Even if the initial regulation was well-intentioned (to curb actual abuses), and even if the initial lobbying by corporations was well-intentioned (to reduce illogical regulations), the mixture of business and government stifle competition, a collusive result called regulatory capture.

In his book The Myth of the Robber Barons, Burton W. Folsom, Jr. distinguished those that engage in crony capitalism—designated by him "political entrepreneurs"—from those who compete in the marketplace without special aid from government, whom he calls "market entrepreneurs" who succeed "by producing a quality product at a competitive price"
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What LoneWorkersParty wants is communism, but he won't admit it, so I'll just shoot some holes in his ideas. Communism doesn't work, because it provides no incentives, or motivation for people to work hard, and advance themselves, with everyone being paid the same. This in return kills production, since people will see it doesn't pay to work hard when everyone is paid the same, regardless of job performance. LoneWorkersParty's ideas may look good to some on paper, but these practices have failed time, and time again. His liberal/communist ideas have been proven to fail, and if he can't see that, then maybe he needs a refresher course on history. Look what happened to the USSR, and East Germany. LoneWorkersParty is ill educated, and informed, just like many in communist countries have been in the past, not to mention how the same applies to the liberals in the USA, right now. How many times do people need to point out the failures with your kind of thinking, only to have you ignore it, or twist it into something that they didn't say? If you continue to ignore history, and the poor performance of your ideas, then you are truly dumber than a sack of hammers.
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