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Old 10-24-2013, 09:07 AM  
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McDonald's helps workers get food stamps.

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Nancy Salgado, who has worked at a Chicago McDonald's for 10 years and makes $8.25 an hour, asked the McResource representative a number of questions related to getting assistance to pay for her heating bill, her groceries and her sister's medical expenses. Salgado told the representative that she was recording the call for her sister.

The helpline operator never asked Salgado how much she made per hour, and how many hours per week she worked beyond the fact that she was a full-time employee. But she said that Salgado "definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance."

The representative then pointed her toward a number of resources in Chicago, such as food pantries and a program that would help cover some of her heating bill. She said she would email her specific phone numbers and programs.

The operator also explained that the McResource line is available to help McDonald's workers who need help navigating the process of getting public assistance. The helpline's phone number is posted in fliers at many McDonald's locations.
Nice of McDonalds to help get its employees on the gov't teet.

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Old 11-09-2013, 07:12 AM   #586
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No, he's ignoring that minimum wage provides a salary that keeps a worker above the poverty level. He feels that an employer should pay one person a high enough wage to support several people regardless of the job that they perform.
There you are pissing on American Labor tradition again.

Jobs in the past, regardless of what job it is, always provided for a family.

But now, because you are too stupid and stubborn to admit you are using a false metric -- one person households -- you are going to try and claim that a job shouldn't support a family.

Another reason you are pathetic.
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Old 11-09-2013, 07:13 AM   #587
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And there's the lie again.
So the minimum wage didn't support a family in the past?

Keep sticking your head in the sand.
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Old 11-09-2013, 07:15 AM   #588
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I believe in a capatlistic system if a person isn't making what they think they are worth then they are free to seek employment that does. If everybody felt that an employer didn't pay enough and didn't accept the job then the employer would be forced to pay more. That is capitalism. As long as people are willing to take a job at a substandard wage then the employer is paying the market wage.
That is Capitalism.

Also in a captilistic society if you do a job better than your peers you typically get better raises and advancement. If a person is only making minimum wage after a couple of years on the job then they are either lazy or stupid or maybe a bit of both. If it is the fault of the employer then the person is stupid for staying.

And when the company doesn't pay more because they know they can offload the labor cost onto the government, who on average increase the pay of these employees by 3$, is the capitalism?
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Old 11-09-2013, 07:25 AM   #589
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He isn't demanding that employer's fund all of someone's life decisions.

His standard is somewhat reasonable especially considering that an inflation adjusted minimum wage would be in the $10-$11 range.

Now, his $15 idea is ridiculous, but $10-11 is pretty reasonable.
Wanna guess at which countries avoided the Global recession and what their minimum wage is?

Australia Has $16 Minimum Wage and is the Only Rich Country to Dodge the Global Recession

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NOOR: And the idea of fast food and retail workers getting $15 an hour has been fiercely criticized by, especially, conservatives in the media and in the press. Charles Koch, who's worth $44 billion, recently said the best way to stimulate the U.S. economy is by eliminating the minimum wage altogether. What's your response?

BABONES: Well, research in the U.S. tends to focus only on the United States. And so when people study the minimum wage and they say the best way to increase employment is to cut the minimum wage, they don't really look overseas and see how it's done in other countries. When you look overseas, you see that minimum wages are much higher among our trading competitors, and these countries are doing very well. Countries like France, Germany, Australia, you know, while they may have occasional recessions like the U.S. has right now, over the long haul, over a, you know, 30- or 40-year period, they do just as well as the United States, but they have much higher wages for their workers. And so while overall economic growth is about equal between the U.S. and other countries, conditions for ordinary working people are far better in places like Australia and Europe.

NOOR: And so Australia has avoided the brunt of the global recession altogether.

BABONES: Oh, right. Australia had no recession. There was not a single quarter in which GDP declined in Australia. There was a--you know, the recession just didn't happen. There was a mild slowdown in hiring in 2008, and then things picked right back up. And, you know, we have to remember that's in a context where ordinary workers don't just make, you know, $17, $18, $19 an hour, but in which those workers have, you know, vacation days, sick days, four weeks annual leave, and full health insurance.

NOOR: Can you talk more about your response to the conservative position that raising minimum wage will actually hurt the economy? You argue that in fact it actually benefits the economy. Talk more about why you believe so.

BABONES: There's a theory that make raising the minimum wage will result in fewer jobs. And that theory seems to make intuitive sense, that when wages are higher, you know, people hire fewer people. And in isolation that would be true. There's an assumption economists like to make called ceteris paribus, which means all other things remaining equal, this would happen.
But all other things are never equal. For example, if you raise the minimum wage, people make more money. That's the first thing that's not equal. As people make more money, they spend more, they pay more in taxes. The entire character of the economy changes.

And so what we really need to do is instead of arguing from theory that if you raise minimum wage it would cause problems for employers, you should argue from fact, that is, look at countries where the minimum wage is higher, see how well they're doing. And, in fact, those countries are doing quite well. Even in the United States, we recently raised the minimum wage from an extraordinarily low level of $5.15 an hour in 2007 up to--now it's $7.25 an hour--not a high level, but still that's an enormous increase in the minimum wage, you know, almost a 50 percent increase in just a few years. And what have we seen? Even though there's been a big recession in the U.S., we've seen low-wage employment actually increase. So, you know, the idea that raising the minimum wage will hurt employment just has no basis in empirical fact. It's an interesting idea, and it's a very nice idea if you're an employer and you want to pay low wages, but the studies just don't bear out that raising the minimum wage has any impact on employment whatsoever.

NOOR: And Australia has in fact raised their minimum wage almost every year, while the U.S. has only seen three increases in the past 15.

BABONES: In Australia, as in most countries, minimum wages are set through some kind of automatic mechanism. In Australia, it's an organization called Fair Work Australia that every year sits down, reviews economic conditions, reviews productivity levels across the economy, and sets the minimum wage accordingly. So the Australian minimum wage just went up on July 1. The fast food rate went up from $17.03 an hour to $17.98 an hour on July 1. And every year there's a revision, and the revision is usually upward.

NOOR: So critics of raising the minimum wage in the United States often counter the example of Australia by noting the cost of living there is so much higher, the minimum wage is negated. Can you respond, especially in light of the recent study which compared the cost of Big Macs across the world?

BABONES: The cost of living in Australia is in fact slightly higher than in the United States. And if you want to make an adjustment for that, the Australian fast food wage of $17.98 an hour probably comes down to around $12 an hour if you adjust for cost of living. On the other hand, if you adjust for the fact that that Australian $17.98, on top of that, Australian workers get four weeks' annual vacation, retirement benefits, and full health insurance, then of course you would have to revise the figures upward. So there is some truth in the argument that the cost of living is higher in Australia. But on the other hand, you get more for your tax money and you get more for your wages in Australia as well. So I think the two either balance out or in fact probably workers are better off in Australia.
As far as the Big Mac index goes, that's a really interesting index compiled by The Economist magazine. And, in fact, Big Macs are slightly more expensive in Australia than in the U.S., something like $0.70 more expensive in Australia. What you get for that in Australia is you get to go to a fast food restaurant where you know that everybody behind the counter has full health insurance, everyone behind the counter gets a really good wage, they're treated well, and they have, you know, options in life beyond just a grueling minimum-wage existence like in the United States. For my money, I'd rather buy a hamburger for $0.70 more, knowing that people behind the current counter have a living wage, than to pay $0.70 less for a hamburger and have slave labor conditions in fast food restaurants.

NOOR: Thank you so much for joining us, Salvatore.
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The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour? It's Australia


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...tralia/278313/
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:17 AM   #590
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There you are pissing on American Labor tradition again.

Jobs in the past, regardless of what job it is, always provided for a family.

But now, because you are too stupid and stubborn to admit you are using a false metric -- one person households -- you are going to try and claim that a job shouldn't support a family.

Another reason you are pathetic.
You think 18 year old Timmy, working at the local malt shop in rural Kansas 1960, made enough to buy/rent a home and support his high school gf Sandy and their newborn baby?
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:51 PM   #591
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Wanna guess at which countries avoided the Global recession and what their minimum wage is?

Australia Has $16 Minimum Wage and is the Only Rich Country to Dodge the Global Recession


http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=10553



The Magical World Where McDonald's Pays $15 an Hour? It's Australia


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...tralia/278313/
Australia didn't avoid the global recession because of their minimum wage. Don't be ridiculous.
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:03 PM   #592
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It isn't a lie.

One measurement that shows a single person household is barely above poverty level does not say that the minimum wage is survivable by all the workers using it.

But go ahead an continue to stick you head in the sand and ignore everything you don't like.

You are pathetic.
Yes, it is. It's a lie and you're a liar. You can't really make any kind of point whatsoever in this thread without resorting to lies, hyperbole and exaggeration. You've made yourself out to be very stupid, and very foolish. Congratulations comrade.
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Obama told Iquana to "be the change he wants to see". I agree and think Iguana should start a business and pay living wages. Be the change, brah
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:59 PM   #594
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Obama told Iquana to "be the change he wants to see". I agree and think Iguana should start a business and pay living wages. Be the change, brah
BoneheadIguana won't do that, because he already knows his stupid ideas will bankrupt him within 3 months. He just wants to scream, and shout his ideas, to see if anyone is dumb enough to back them.
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Australia didn't avoid the global recession because of their minimum wage. Don't be ridiculous.
You don't think it helped, workers have more income to stimulate demand, workers being less likely to fall behind in debt, less government revenue going towards the social safety net?

You don't think there is any correlation at all?
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You think 18 year old Timmy, working at the local malt shop in rural Kansas 1960, made enough to buy/rent a home and support his high school gf Sandy and their newborn baby?
Um yes, the minimum wage allowed a family of three to survive in the 1960's. I have posted the data saying this.
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Yes, it is. It's a lie and you're a liar. You can't really make any kind of point whatsoever in this thread without resorting to lies, hyperbole and exaggeration. You've made yourself out to be very stupid, and very foolish. Congratulations comrade.
So the minimum wage, in the past, didn't support a family, and workers aren't earning less than 30 years ago?

Oh wait, you avoided that question because you know you are completely wrong.

In order for you to make me out to be foolish you would actually have to address what has been said.

You just keep repeating the same old tired conservative talking points, even though they don't at all apply.

Pathetic.
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BoneheadIguana won't do that, because he already knows his stupid ideas will bankrupt him within 3 months. He just wants to scream, and shout his ideas, to see if anyone is dumb enough to back them.
Its amazing how those wages were paid in the past, these Fast Food chains didn't go out of business. It's weird that McD's earns more revenue in France, paying a higher wage, than in the U.S.

In fact, I think our economy was very strong and growing in the 1960's when the minimum wage allowed a family to survive.

Its such a weird concept that an economy will do better when the demand side, the workers, actually have an income to stimulate demand, instead of worrying about whether they have enough money for food.
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Its amazing how those wages were paid in the past, these Fast Food chains didn't go out of business. It's weird that McD's earns more revenue in France, paying a higher wage, than in the U.S.

In fact, I think our economy was very strong and growing in the 1960's when the minimum wage allowed a family to survive.

Its such a weird concept that an economy will do better when the demand side, the workers, actually have an income to stimulate demand, instead of worrying about whether they have enough money for food.
It's obvious you are ignoring my signature picture, because it sums you up in a nutshell.

The only thing we have in common with France is, we are both countries, but the similarities end right there. It's also very telling that you would use France for a comparison, since they are a socialist country. If you don't like the USA, then move your communist/socialist ass to China, or France.
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BoneheadIguana won't do that, because he already knows his stupid ideas will bankrupt him within 3 months. He just wants to scream, and shout his ideas, to see if anyone is dumb enough to back them.
Exactly.
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