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Old 10-24-2013, 07:14 PM  
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Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with US

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Old 10-25-2013, 05:55 PM   #31
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A technically untrue thread title gives Obama's backers the lifeline they need to avoid talking about the very real problems this administration has created for us with nearly all of our best Middle East allies.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:06 PM   #32
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Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic ties with US = Saudi Arabia does not sever diplomatic ties with US

I realize you were just parroting the headline on the website, but every once in a while you should try reading the article. Although most everything on the internet is true, occasionally something incorrect pops up.



Saudi Arabia to 'shift away from the US' over Iran, Syria, intelligence chief says
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:08 PM   #33
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US rift with allies grows as Saudi Arabia, France voice concerns
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:09 PM   #34
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:11 PM   #35
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Wait - are these the good mooslims or the bad ones?
The bad ones.

Most of the damn 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. They're the slave capital of the world. They're the source of wasabi Islam, which is the ultra conservative and ultra violent branch we call 'terrorists'. They also imprison you for life if you are not a musliim.

They do business with us, so we pretend like they're not the most oppressive country in the entire world.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:23 PM   #36
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:29 PM   #37
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THIS BETTER BE IN THE PAPER HE READS SO HE KNOWS ABOUT IT
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:32 PM   #38
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The bad ones.

Most of the damn 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. They're the slave capital of the world. They're the source of wasabi Islam, which is the ultra conservative and ultra violent branch we call 'terrorists'...
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:05 PM   #39
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The title of the article is very misleading. When I saw it the first thing that came to mind is- Don't we still have bases in SA? How exactly would that work, no diplomatic ties but we are going to keep our bases operational? Without our backing, wouldn't the House of Saud be in deep crap in the region, payback time in a sense?
To my recall, we moved the bases out of SA, because we now have Iraq. Well, that's what one of the chief architect's of Iraq claimed, Deputy Defense Paul Wolfowitze. He also claimed having those bases there was creating a problem for the US. Yet, just moving them to Iraq and Qatar is supposed to be better?

Let's see if I can get something on it for ya' on this withdrawal:

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... Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz had earlier said that the continuing US presence in the kingdom was putting American lives in danger. The announcement came one day after the Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) was shifted from Prince Sultan Air Base to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar....

U.S. officials transferred control of portions of Prince Sultan Air Base to Saudi officials at a ceremony on August 26, 2003. The base had been home to about 60,000 US personnel over time.

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Old 10-25-2013, 10:52 PM   #40
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Yeah, right. What does that even mean?

Anyway, that's a lot ****ing different than "severs diplomatic ties," dipshit.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:55 PM   #41
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A technically untrue thread title gives Obama's backers the lifeline they need to avoid talking about the very real problems this administration has created for us with nearly all of our best Middle East allies.
Technically, is there a difference between "technically untrue" and "untrue" in this situation?
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:10 AM   #42
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Technically, is there a difference between "technically untrue" and "untrue" in this situation?
Yes. If Saudi Arabia and the US were as close as ever or maybe having a minor disagreement that was in no way a threat to the relationship, it would be completely untrue... untrue in every sense... without even a resemblance to the truth. But in this case, there is actually a deep rift that is leading Saudi Arabia to decrease it's diplomatic associations with the US and increase them with others. It falls short of "severing", but it's still a serious distancing.

For an analogy, consider an NFL athlete. If you say a perfectly healthy running back has severed his ACL you've said something completely untrue. If you say it about someone who has had a season-ending strain to his ACL, you've said something that's technically untrue, but the people dismissing it because it was untrue are avoiding the closely related truth behind the falsehood.
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Old 10-26-2013, 08:16 AM   #43
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Yeah, right. What does that even mean?

Anyway, that's a lot ****ing different than "severs diplomatic ties," dipshit.
you need to pay better attn to who says what -- I never said the saudis are "severing ties" but I did point out through these articles our neighbors are unhappy with our gov't -- americas allies are disgusted and tired of americas bullying. Of course, our gov't is just hoping somebody wants war.
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Old 10-26-2013, 10:35 AM   #44
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you need to pay better attn to who says what -- I never said the saudis are "severing ties" but I did point out through these articles our neighbors are unhappy with our gov't -- americas allies are disgusted and tired of americas bullying. Of course, our gov't is just hoping somebody wants war.
and you were called a dipshit for your troubles.
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