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Old 10-24-2013, 07:14 PM  
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:18 AM   #61
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:05 AM   #62
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And Hitler.
You must be thinking of the Catholic church~
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:12 AM   #63
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You must be thinking of the Catholic church~
The FACTS are that the RCC never really was in cahoots with Hitler. That lie sprang from leftists in particular communists. They operated underground because it was too dangerous to speak out openly but they did not trust Hitler. This was the same environment that prevented others from protesting openly. Catholics hid Jews throughout the countryside and many Catholics and Catholic priests were put in concentration camps for such aid to Jews etc.

You can't blame anyone when Hitler was newly in power, let alone a church who wanted to protect its property from the German govt. Afterall, Hitler was not exterminating any Nazis at that time. As it was, Hitler breached his agreement with the Vatican anyway. There was also rampant fear of communism at the time.

Yet, when Jews started to be persecuted and killed our own govt under FDR turned them away as refugees.

After the war, it was certain Jewish leaders that praised the RCC for it's role in aiding Jews during WWII. Such comments were printed in newspapers.But how a leftists playwright could spin this yarn and gain a following tells me how easily some people can be duped--especially if they hate religion or the RCC.

Full details are somewhere on this board including documentation and links. That is if you use the search and are a seeker of truth or getting more than one side of a claim. As it is, your claim shows a lack of effort to research a complex situation including dropping out the time or date of certain events.
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Old 10-27-2013, 12:38 PM   #64
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The FACTS are that the RCC never really was in cahoots with Hitler. That lie sprang from leftists in particular communists. They operated underground because it was too dangerous to speak out openly but they did not trust Hitler. This was the same environment that prevented others from protesting openly. Catholics hid Jews throughout the countryside and many Catholics and Catholic priests were put in concentration camps for such aid to Jews etc.

You can't blame anyone when Hitler was newly in power, let alone a church who wanted to protect its property from the German govt. Afterall, Hitler was not exterminating any Nazis at that time. As it was, Hitler breached his agreement with the Vatican anyway. There was also rampant fear of communism at the time.

Yet, when Jews started to be persecuted and killed our own govt under FDR turned them away as refugees.

After the war, it was certain Jewish leaders that praised the RCC for it's role in aiding Jews during WWII. Such comments were printed in newspapers.But how a leftists playwright could spin this yarn and gain a following tells me how easily some people can be duped--especially if they hate religion or the RCC.

Full details are somewhere on this board including documentation and links. That is if you use the search and are a seeker of truth or getting more than one side of a claim. As it is, your claim shows a lack of effort to research a complex situation including dropping out the time or date of certain events.
It has all been discussed here before. Yes there were catholics who heroically helped the jews. But if you follow the money trail from the spoils stolen from the jews and the aiding of war criminals to escape prosecution it has the Catholic churches fingerprints all over it~
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:26 PM   #65
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It has all been discussed here before. Yes there were catholics who heroically helped the jews. But if you follow the money trail from the spoils stolen from the jews and the aiding of war criminals to escape prosecution it has the Catholic churches fingerprints all over it~
No it doesn't. The RCC helped hundreds of thousand war refugess and Nazi war criminals took advantage of that operation because it was nearly impossible to verify who was who. This is another verifiably false claim which anti-Catholics, anti-religionists and leftists use.

Furthermore, many of those so-called criminals came into the US as well. Some claim with our govt knowing too.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:29 PM   #66
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No it doesn't.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:29 PM   #67
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No it doesn't.
Yeah, the Roman church is as pure as the driven snow.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:40 PM   #68
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The following events happened well after the end of WWII:

In 1955, the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra, which was composed of Jewish refugees from many nations, toured Italy. The Orchestra performed a concert at the Vatican on May 26, 1955.

According to the Jerusalem Post (May 29, 1955), "Conductor Paul Klecki had requested that the Orchestra on its first visit to Italy play for the Pope as a gesture of gratitude for the help his Church had given to all those persecuted by Nazi Fascism."

In 1957, the Pope received a delegation from the American Jewish Committee. The New York Times on June 29, 1957 reported that the Committee's representatives described the Pope as a "great friend" in the battle against racism and anti-Semitism in the United States. The Pope also praised the Committee's work, and issued a strong statement condemning anti-Semitism.

Pope Pius XII died on October 8, 1958. Many Jewish organizations and newspapers around the world mourned his passing, and recalled his wartime efforts to rescue Jews. At At the United Nations, Golda Meir, Israel's Foreign Minister, said:
"When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict."
The Zionist Record (October 17) in South Africa published Meir's moving eulogy along with tributes from Jewish organizations to the late Pope.

"Adherents of all creeds and parties will recall how Pius XII faced the responsibilities of his exalted office with courage and devotion," declared the Jewish Chronicle in London on October 10. "Before, during, and after the Second World War, he constantly preached the message of peace. Confronted by the monstrous cruelties of Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, he repeatedly proclaimed the virtues of humanity and compassion."

In the Canadian Jewish Chronicle (October 17), Rabbi J. Stern recalled that Pius XII "made it possible for thousands of Jewish victims of Nazism and Fascism to be hidden away..."

In the November 6 edition of the Jewish Post in Winnipeg, William Zukerman, the former American Hebrew columnist, wrote that no other leader "did more to help the Jews in their hour of greatest tragedy, during the Nazi occupation of Europe, than the late Pope."

Representatives of the World Jewish Congress, American Jewish Congress, American Jewish Committee, Synagogue Council of America, New York Board of Rabbis, the Anti-Defamation League, Massachusetts Board of Rabbis, Rabbinical Council of America, National Council of Jewish Women, and the Union of American Hebrew Congregations also gracefully eulogized Pope Pius XII. The Chief Rabbis of London, Rome, Jerusalem, France, Egypt, Argentina and many other Jewish newspapers also paid tribute to the late Pope.

How do Pius XII's detractors explain these many statements of praise from Jews? They prefer to ignore them. Any acknowledgment of these tributes immediately undermines the case against him.

Instead, critics always focus on the Pope's "silence" without discussing what he actually said during the war, and how his addresses were received by all sides; insist that the Pope did little or nothing to help Jews escape from the Nazis; exclusively cite authors who attack him while ignoring those who defend him; and assign him sinister motives by using suspicion and a selective interpretation of evidence.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:46 PM   #70
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Yeah, the Roman church is as pure as the driven snow.
I didn't even say that. Thus, you've used a logical fallacy known as a strawman. With added nervous laughter.
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Not worth the effort buc~
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Generalities won't do here. The RCC did have eras of corruption and abuse but that was not the case during WWII. Not under Pious XII. Govt's have eras of corruption and abuse too. Including our own.
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Generalities won't do here. The RCC did have eras of corruption and abuse but that was not the case during WWII. Not under Pious XII. Govt's have eras of corruption and abuse too. Including our own.
Absolutely false. The actions at the end of the war were shameful~
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Since Andrew Jackson the nation has been headed towards a one world "Second Atlantis " Government . Good ol Rothschilds and CO.

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