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Old 10-28-2013, 08:23 AM  
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Obamacare hitting middle class hard

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1.../p2p-77942344/

Best liberal wake up line ever ...." I was all for ObamaCare until I realized I was paying for it"
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:23 AM   #2
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Best liberal wake up line ever ...." I was all for ObamaCare until I realized I was paying for it"
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:25 AM   #3
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Man. Nobody saw that coming at all!

Good. I'm doing alright but still sitting somewhere in that middle class range. I'll gladly take a hit if it means that the rest of the ****ing drones that voted for this clown get shaken from their slumber.

Folks, this is big government. It's gonna get worse. It always gets worse.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:34 AM   #4
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Here is some reality....With the baby on the way and me being a contractor and on the Wife's insurance I had been looking to 3rd party to carry my insurance so she can carry the baby. I had priced several plans ranging from $100-$150 a month.

Enter Obamacare...

All those plans have gone up by a minimum of $100 a month for the same types of coverage.


The middle class will get ****ed on Obamacare.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:39 AM   #5
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Everyone gets ****ed when you make a giant hand out to the insurance industry.

Fortunately, once Americans realize just how much we get ****ed on the cost side of health care we should start down the path to single payor.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:42 AM   #6
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Everyone gets ****ed when you make a giant hand out to the insurance industry.

Fortunately, once Americans realize just how much we get ****ed on the cost side of health care we should start down the path to single payor.
Why not just force Single Payer instead of this garbage?
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:43 AM   #7
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Everyone gets ****ed when you make a giant hand out to the insurance industry.

Fortunately, once Americans realize just how much we get ****ed on the cost side of health care we should start down the path to single payor.
Good call.

Let's take an entitlement program that's costing the middle class a bunch of money through the private sector, get rid of it and expand the entitlement program so that it costs the middle class a bunch more money, only this time they'll pay it to the government instead.

I like it. It's just progressive enough to work.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:46 AM   #8
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:47 AM   #9
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Why not just force Single Payer instead of this garbage?
That's the long term plan. Obamacare is nothing more than a funnel.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:55 AM   #10
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That's the long term plan. Obamacare is nothing more than a funnel.
I would actually prefer Sp to Obamacare. Basically you get to pay more for less right now. This really solves nothing.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:02 AM   #11
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Good call.

Let's take an entitlement program that's costing the middle class a bunch of money through the private sector, get rid of it and expand the entitlement program so that it costs the middle class a bunch more money, only this time they'll pay it to the government instead.

I like it. It's just progressive enough to work.
The private sector for health care is broken. Americans pay more for medicines and delivery while having some of the worst outcomes for the developed world. Single payor offers bargaining power as well as economies of scale.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:06 AM   #12
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The private sector for health care is broken. Americans pay more for medicines and delivery while having some of the worst outcomes for the developed world. Single payor offers bargaining power as well as economies of scale.
Where did we hear this mantra before ? Go back to washing the pots. Nitwit
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:33 AM   #13
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Why not just force Single Payer instead of this garbage?
Those in our govt can't do that without the Fabian incrementalism of wrecking healthcare markets first. They're waiting for enough Americans to cry "Uncle."

Afterall, they've been pushing for national health insurance since 1910. Just give them more time. It's just like some communists I know when they say " the people aren't ready for it yet." We need BIG govt and dictatorship-like laws to perfect humans first. That's what progressivism is all about. Progressing toward full socialism.
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The private sector for health care is broken. Americans pay more for medicines and delivery while having some of the worst outcomes for the developed world. Single payor offers bargaining power as well as economies of scale.
As soon as single payer economies of scale (aka price controls) kick in, technology stagnation and long lines for more limited care will begin. It's great to be a free rider in a place like Canada right now, but everyone can't be a free rider or the ride collapses.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:40 AM   #15
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As soon as single payer economies of scale (aka price controls) kick in, technology stagnation and long lines for more limited care will begin. It's great to be a free rider in a place like Canada right now, but everyone can't be a free rider or the ride collapses.
Incorrect on a couple fronts. Economies of scale are not price control. Read up on what economies of scale actually means.

The French model still has innovation (the first face transplant happened there) and has avenues for enhanced coverage should you choose to pay for it.
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