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Old 10-28-2013, 08:23 AM  
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Obamacare hitting middle class hard

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Best liberal wake up line ever ...." I was all for ObamaCare until I realized I was paying for it"
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:41 AM   #16
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Everyone gets ****ed when you make a giant hand out to the insurance industry.

Fortunately, once Americans realize just how much we get ****ed on the cost side of health care we should start down the path to single payor.
That's not the path that America will take, as you undoubtably know. Voters will just associate Obamacare with "big government" and they'll be quite averse to doubling down on big government.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:43 AM   #17
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Americans pay more for medicines and delivery while having some of the worst outcomes for the developed world. .
What does this mean? Be specific. Are you talking life expectancy, health measures, infant mortality, cancer survival rates, what?
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:47 AM   #18
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What does this mean? Be specific. Are you talking life expectancy, health measures, infant mortality, cancer survival rates, what?
If you don't know the basics of the discussion, you should just sit it out. These things have been discussed over and over here.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:48 AM   #19
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That's not the path that America will take, as you undoubtably know. Voters will just associate Obamacare with "big government" and they'll be quite averse to doubling down on big government.
Ok TJ.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:48 AM   #20
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If you don't know the basics of the discussion, you should just sit it out. These things have been discussed over and over here.

I love it when you tap out.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:21 AM   #21
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Incorrect on a couple fronts. Economies of scale are not price control. Read up on what economies of scale actually means.

The French model still has innovation (the first face transplant happened there) and has avenues for enhanced coverage should you choose to pay for it.
I understand what economies of scale are. But the way you're using it, you're really talking about defacto price controls, whether you understand that or not.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:21 AM   #22
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I love it when you tap out.
Refusing to educate you on readily available information is not a tap out. lrn2google dumb****.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:25 AM   #23
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If you don't know the basics of the discussion, you should just sit it out. These things have been discussed over and over here.
That kind of non-answer makes it look like you were just blowing smoke. American outcomes are world class in a lot of ways.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:31 AM   #24
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I understand what economies of scale are. But the way you're using it, you're really talking about defacto price controls, whether you understand that or not.
No, you don't patty. The way I'm using it is proper and no amount of semantic twisting on your part changes it.
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That kind of non-answer makes it look like you were just blowing smoke. American outcomes are world class in a lot of ways.
Your spin machine is in overdrive today.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:34 AM   #26
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Man. Nobody saw that coming at all!

Good. I'm doing alright but still sitting somewhere in that middle class range. I'll gladly take a hit if it means that the rest of the ****ing drones that voted for this clown get shaken from their slumber.

Folks, this is big government. It's gonna get worse. It always gets worse.
When was the last time you saw a liberal admit they were wrong, or more importantly, vote that way? Let me know and I'll show you my picture of Big Foot.

In general, they may squeal, but at the end of the day, they'll be deflecting the blame to anyone but their politicians/themselves and remain dyed in the wool. Wish I was wrong.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:35 AM   #27
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When was the last time you saw a liberal admit they were wrong, or more importantly, vote that way? Let me know and I'll show you my picture of Big Foot.

In general, they may squeal, but at the end of the day, they'll be deflecting the blame to anyone but their politicians/themselves and remain dyed in the wool. Wish I was wrong.
A good portion of liberals have disagreed with Obamacare since it was proposed.

Build more strawmen please.
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Americans pay more for medicines and delivery while having some of the worst outcomes for the developed world.
If by "worst" you mean "best", then you're right:

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Where you live plays a role in cancer survival, according to a new study that shows the U.S., Japan, and France recorded the highest survival rates among 31 nations for four types of cancer.

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The highest survival rates were found in the U.S. for breast and prostate cancer, in Japan for colon and rectal cancers in men, and in France for colon and rectal cancers in women, Coleman's team reports.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:42 AM   #29
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No, you don't patty. The way I'm using it is proper and no amount of semantic twisting on your part changes it.
What's your take on Walmart's ability to drive the price of it's suppliers down? Take Walmart's strong consumer position and transform it into an overwhelming stranglehold and you'll approximate the control that a US single payer system will have on prices. That's the difference between economies of scale and defacto price fixing.
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If by "worst" you mean "best", then you're right:
Yes, and now compare what we pay versus what Japan and France pay.
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