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Old 10-28-2013, 06:02 PM  
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Obama says ObamaCare will save you 2500 skins

You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something....

So why do Obots keep saying no one ever said it?

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/28/v...2500-per-year/
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:53 PM   #16
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OK, I'll spell it out for you. And I expect a bunch of predictable moaning even though I'm right. But I don't want to hear it from patteeu who is a stickler for accuracy and couldn't possibly argue this.

The claim in the OP:

"You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something...."

Clearly, Obama said "up to" which is not the same as "will save 2500" and even further away from "2500 on average" which means some would save even more than the 2500.

Sorry.
27 second mark in the video.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:57 PM   #17
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OK, I'll spell it out for you. And I expect a bunch of predictable moaning even though I'm right. But I don't want to hear it from patteeu who is a stickler for accuracy and couldn't possibly argue this.

The claim in the OP:

"You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something...."

Clearly, Obama said "up to" which is not the same as "will save 2500" and even further away from "2500 on average" which means some would save even more than the 2500.

Sorry.
You must have only listened to the two or three quotes in pete's video. In the fourth one he says "health care plan that will save the average family $2500 in their premiums". In one of them he tells people he's going to lower their premiums by $2500 per year without any modifier. Sorry, you're wrong here. Spin failure.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:58 PM   #18
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27 second mark in the video.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:01 PM   #19
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27 second mark in the video.
He did qualify it with "average family", but more relevant is that statement was made in May 2008. Seems a little unreasonable to hold someone to every detail of a plan he may have discussed before he was even the nominee.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:03 PM   #20
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He did qualify it with "average family", but more relevant is that statement was made in May 2008. Seems a little unreasonable to hold someone to every detail of a plan he may have discussed before he was even the nominee.
So it was a campaign promise?
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:04 PM   #21
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I just really don't feel like watching the video. This conversation is interesting but I'm in two other ones right now that are very compelling, I apologize for my laziness.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:08 PM   #22
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He did qualify it with "average family", but more relevant is that statement was made in May 2008. Seems a little unreasonable to hold someone to every detail of a plan he may have discussed before he was even the nominee.
So what is the believe Obama date?
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:11 PM   #23
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So it was a campaign promise?
Oh, come on...
Sure, if the exact plan he proposed at the time ended up being the law, then I guess you could consider his "average family" comment a "promise."
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:19 PM   #24
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Oh, come on...
Sure, if the exact plan he proposed at the time ended up being the law, then I guess you could consider his "average family" comment a "promise."
No, no qualifier... he made a campaign promise that he unequivocally broke. He certainly didn't update us when the final Obamcare bill was passed and it turned out that the "typical family" was more likely to see a premium increase than a $2500 decrease.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:23 PM   #27
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Oh, come on...
Sure, if the exact plan he proposed at the time ended up being the law, then I guess you could consider his "average family" comment a "promise."
If he made the health care proposition part of his platform, and he was talking about it while campaigning, that makes it a campaign promise.
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So it was a campaign promise?
Yes, he talked about a $2500 premium savings from his health plan over and over during the 2008 campaign. In some cases, he said families would save "up to" $2500. In others, he said the "average family" would save $2500. In yet others he said the "typical family" would save $2500.
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Yes, he talked about a $2500 premium savings from his health plan over and over during the 2008 campaign. In some cases, he said families would save "up to" $2500. In others, he said the "average family" would save $2500. In yet others he said the "typical family" would save $2500.
I don't really see how it could be anything else than.
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