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Old 10-28-2013, 06:02 PM  
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Obama says ObamaCare will save you 2500 skins

You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something....

So why do Obots keep saying no one ever said it?

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Old 10-28-2013, 08:34 PM   #31
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OK, I'll spell it out for you. And I expect a bunch of predictable moaning even though I'm right. But I don't want to hear it from patteeu who is a stickler for accuracy and couldn't possibly argue this.

The claim in the OP:

"You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something...."

Clearly, Obama said "up to" which is not the same as "will save 2500" and even further away from "2500 on average" which means some would save even more than the 2500.

Sorry.
It also indicates that you can save nothing or pay more. In other words its a bunch of empty talk, because Obama has no idea what will happen to you.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:35 PM   #32
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I don't really see how it could be anything else than.
Can you imagine the contortions going on in cosmo's brain to lead him into a logical quagmire where polticians are absolved of responsibility for all broken campaign promises unless they were too specific with the plans they presented during the campaign and faithfully advanced them after taking office?
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:36 PM   #33
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You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something....

So why do Obots keep saying no one ever said it?

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/28/v...2500-per-year/
, costing me a lot of money I do not have.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:37 PM   #34
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Can you imagine the contortions going on in cosmo's brain to lead him into a logical quagmire where politicians are absolved of responsibility for all broken campaign promises unless they were too specific with the plans they presented during the campaign and faithfully advanced them after taking office?
I think in this case party shills are supposed to consult the lexicon.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:38 PM   #35
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OK, I'll spell it out for you. And I expect a bunch of predictable moaning even though I'm right. But I don't want to hear it from patteeu who is a stickler for accuracy and couldn't possibly argue this.

The claim in the OP:

"You will save on average 2500 buckos per household or person or something...."

Clearly, Obama said "up to" which is not the same as "will save 2500" and even further away from "2500 on average" which means some would save even more than the 2500.

Sorry.
at 0:35 in the video he said "an average of $2500 per family"

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Old 10-28-2013, 08:44 PM   #36
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at 0:35 in the video he said "an average of $2500 per family"

He's not coming back in this thread.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:16 PM   #38
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Can you imagine the contortions going on in cosmo's brain to lead him into a logical quagmire where polticians are absolved of responsibility for all broken campaign promises unless they were too specific with the plans they presented during the campaign and faithfully advanced them after taking office?
As a rational person, I've always looked at most campaign "promises" as intentions, or as a promise to pursue it. There's few things a president can directly control, especially the further you want to drill down into details.

Common sense should tell you a candidate still has to deal with Congress. A candidate can no more legitimately "promise" a piece of legislation will become law than I can--it's not within his direct power to make it happen. He can do his best to try though.

And yes, I'd apply that standard to a candidate of any party. You guys are exercising the mentality of a child. Under your standard, if 99% of what a candidate "promised" made it into the a final law, you would consider that a "lie" or "broken promise."
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at 0:35 in the video he said "an average of $2500 per family"

January 3, 2008

And it is edited so we don't know what came directly in front of the statement.
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Can you imagine the contortions going on in cosmo's brain to lead him into a logical quagmire where polticians are absolved of responsibility for all broken campaign promises unless they were too specific with the plans they presented during the campaign and faithfully advanced them after taking office?
Also, I the clip at :25, he says "I have a plan that saves..." So in May 2008, his plan was _______. No "promise" terminology, so that childish argument is moot.
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As a rational person, I've always looked at most campaign "promises" as intentions, or as a promise to pursue it. There's few things a president can directly control, especially the further you want to drill down into details.

Common sense should tell you a candidate still has to deal with Congress. A candidate can no more legitimately "promise" a piece of legislation will become law than I can--it's not within his direct power to make it happen. He can do his best to try though.

And yes, I'd apply that standard to a candidate of any party. You guys are exercising the mentality of a child. Under your standard, if 99% of what a candidate "promised" made it into the a final law, you would consider that a "lie" or "broken promise."
Yes, of course. The president was elected along with democrat control of the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate so naturally he can't be held accountable for his mere campaign promises because he actually doesn't have much that he can control. Makes perfect sense.

Your spin has taken on the properties of an auger. It's time to stop digging and just admit defeat on this one.

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Old 10-28-2013, 09:30 PM   #43
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And it is edited so we don't know what came directly in front of the statement.
I think they took out "dont plan on saving". ****ers are out to ruin Obama by twisting his words and ignoring his accomplishments .
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Also, I the clip at :25, he says "I have a plan that saves..." So in May 2008, his plan was _______. No "promise" terminology, so that childish argument is moot.
Promise terminology? Haha. Did he have his fingers crossed too?
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Promise terminology? Haha. Did he have his fingers crossed too?
It's always a bit disappointing when you drop to the level of your dimwitted right-wing brethren. I'm not even making an argument. The actual facts speak for themselves.
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