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Old 10-30-2013, 11:53 AM  
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Victory for Jamie Oliver in the U.S. as McDonald’s is forced to stop using pink slime

TV chef was disgusted to discover ammonium hydroxide was being used by McDonald's to convert fatty beef offcuts into a beef filler for burgers




'Why would any sensible human being want to put ammonia-filled meat into their children's mouths? asked Jamie Oliver



McDonald's denies its hand had been forced by TV campaign


Full story and video's here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-recipe.html
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:01 PM   #121
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I'm mostly railing against the gurus out there that get people all riled up (usually to benefit themselves). A good example is the "Aspartame makes formaldehyde, so therefore a deadly poison" meme.

Formaldehyde is a naturally occurring substance that is in a lot of foods naturally including milk and vegetable juice that our bodies handle just fine. In fact, formaldehyde plays an essential role in our metabolism. It is converted to formate (folic acid) and used to synthesize DNA in the cells. However, since it's toxic when inhaled (or ingested in large doses), the scare-mongers can get everyone would up by shouting "formaldehyde is a poison" or by associating it with embalming fluid for the "ick factor".
This shit is going to happen when your regulating bodies are so frustratingly terrible at being the central authority on what's real and what's bullshit. If there was a credible organization to strike down exaggeration or false reports, these kind of stories would be debunked within days. Instead, our experts on food are like the NCAA. They let so much bullshit slide and even encourage so much bullshit behavior, that nobody can take their advice seriously.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:07 PM   #122
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This.

Seriously. Fish just won Chiefs Planet.

People don't give a single **** about what they're eating. I have no idea why, but people seem to think it's totally fine to balloon up like a whale and suck at life. It seems that people don't care about themselves at all anymore. Nobody is waiting in line for fast food thinking it's even moderately healthy yet they continue to eat it day after day.
We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:09 PM   #123
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We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.
How about YOU only eat at places that tell you exactly what is in the food and let others eat wherever the **** they want?
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:10 PM   #124
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How about YOU only eat at places that tell you exactly what is in the food and let others eat wherever the **** they want?
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... and pass your post on to Oliver.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:14 PM   #125
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How about YOU only eat at places that tell you exactly what is in the food and let others eat wherever the **** they want?
Oh good, now this ridiculous BS.

I am not telling people where to eat. Or what to eat. I am saying that every person has a right to know what they are eating. If they still want to eat food despite knowing it's terrible, that's their choice.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:15 PM   #126
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... and pass your post on to Oliver.
Yeah, end thread. It was a great point by Saul Good that apparently the best solution is for restaurants to tell only me what's in my food, while others cluelessly eat mystery food. That makes a lot of sense.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:31 PM   #127
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We have spent how many pages in this thread talking about ammonia hydroxide. I've had 20 different opinions on both sides. After this many pages, there STILL doesn't seem to be anything close to a right or wrong answer. And we're talking about people who are doing the right thing, and at least doing some research to find an answer.

That tells you how unnecessarily hard it is to get the facts straight about what you eat. I completely disagree with you. I believe there are lots of people who are motivated to lose weight, but lose themselves in a massive sea of misinformation. They eat Panera and think they're eating healthy. They buy turkey substitute products that aren't breast meat. They drink gallons of orange juice instead of soda. And then, when they workout like crazy, try to eat sensibly and still don't lose weight, they become depressed and give up.

Again, people are entitled to eat how and what they want. I'm not judging them. But they need to know what they're putting in their bodies, and that goes way beyond education. It means that people have to have a better understanding of what goes into their bodies, and a healthy debate on ammonia hydroxide is a great example of that. Whether you agree with using it or not, there's one thing that's clear. It's an additive ingredient that is put into our food that most knew nothing about until someone like Jamie Oliver brought it to light.
The problem remains, that you're putting the entire responsibility on the restaurant business and none on the individual. It's really not the restaurant's responsibility to ensure that the consumer eat's healthy. The lengths you're going to make it all the restaurant's responsibility are illogical and unreasonable.

How about we find a way to properly educate consumers, instead of allowing bullshit misinformation like the OP, or wasting money going crazy with nutritional info that isn't effective?
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:35 PM   #128
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The problem remains, that you're putting the entire responsibility on the restaurant business and none on the individual. It's really not the restaurant's responsibility to ensure that the consumer eat's healthy. The lengths you're going to make it all the restaurant's responsibility are illogical and unreasonable.

How about we find a way to properly educate consumers, instead of allowing bullshit misinformation like the OP, or wasting money going crazy with nutritional info that isn't effective?
As a general rule, when someone starts down the road of requiring things that are neither necessary nor in particular demand, they're usually assholes with personal issues.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:37 PM   #129
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Of course. It just isn't going to kill you or cause irreparable harm to eat out or eat junk food if you control the calories.
It might if he continued the all junk food/low calorie diet long term because he would eventually become so malnourished his immune system (and other systems) would not function properly, but I think I get your point. Junk food in moderation won't end your life.
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Not really. It doesn't work for everyone, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for anyone.
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying.
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Oh good, now this ridiculous BS.

I am not telling people where to eat. Or what to eat. I am saying that every person has a right to know what they are eating. If they still want to eat food despite knowing it's terrible, that's their choice.
What sort of moron doesn't know fast food is bad?
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What sort of moron doesn't know fast food is bad?
The world is full of morons who don't know what is best for themselves. That is why we need people like chiefzilla...to protect us from ourselves.
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Oh good, now this ridiculous BS.

I am not telling people where to eat. Or what to eat. I am saying that every person has a right to know what they are eating. If they still want to eat food despite knowing it's terrible, that's their choice.
They currently have that right, and they have for quite some time. They can even take entire responsibility and raise/grow their own food so they know exactly what they're consuming.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:48 PM   #134
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The problem remains, that you're putting the entire responsibility on the restaurant business and none on the individual. It's really not the restaurant's responsibility to ensure that the consumer eat's healthy. The lengths you're going to make it all the restaurant's responsibility are illogical and unreasonable.

How about we find a way to properly educate consumers, instead of allowing bullshit misinformation like the OP, or wasting money going crazy with nutritional info that isn't effective?
Who said I'm not blaming the individual? I am talking about the many consumers who are trying to educate themselves and STILL are massively misinformed. When a consumer tries really hard and can't, that's a huge problem, and it goes beyond education and posting calorie counts. It's that when you get into mass production of food, food producers and restaurants will begin doing very unnatural things to cut costs or preserve their food. And when you get into marketing food, they will go to great lengths to BS what's in the food. And so you have misinformed consumers eating diet or low fat products that are terrible for you. You have food manufacturers abusing the term "organic" or "low fat", or selling fatty turkey meat passed off as a healthier substitute. Big Food has made a mockery of health standards and knowing what's healthy has become a complicated mess, even for people who know what they're talking about.

When food stops becoming food, then yes, what is wrong with a restaurant or food manufacturer disclosing that? I'm not talking about a small restaurant in your town that serves a dish heavy with butter. I'm talking about understanding all the disgusting things that go into making a McNugget.
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As a general rule, when someone starts down the road of requiring things that are neither necessary nor in particular demand, they're usually assholes with personal issues.
Being honest about processes and ingredients?
And you don't think there aren't a lot of people who want to know what's in their food, or consumers out there who want to know that when they're eating a "healthy" option it's actually healthy?

So kindly, **** off with your comments saying I have "personal" issues, you ****ing prick. We're having a conversation here.
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