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Old 11-07-2013, 12:02 PM  
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FDA takes on trans fats

(CNN) -- So long, frozen pizza: Artificial trans fat in foods may eventually become a thing of the past.
The Food and Drug Administration on Thursday took a first step toward potentially eliminating most trans fat from the food supply, saying it has made a preliminary determination that a major source of trans fats -- partially hydrogenated oils -- is no longer "generally recognized as safe."
If the preliminary determination is finalized, according to the FDA, then partially hydrogenated oils will become food additives that could not be used in food without approval. Foods with unapproved additives cannot legally be sold.
Trans fat can be found in processed foods including desserts, microwave popcorn products, frozen pizza, margarine and coffee creamer, and has been linked to an increased risk of heart disease.
What is trans fat?

The majority of trans fat is formed when hydrogen is added to liquid oils, making them into solid fat such as shortening or margarine. It increases the shelf life and the flavor of foods.

Like saturated fat, trans fat and dietary cholesterol can also raise blood levels of LDL, or "bad" cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease.

Trans fat is found in processed foods made with partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, according to the Food and Drug Administration. Those include crackers, cookies, snack foods, fried foods and some baked goods.
Partially hydrogenated oil is formed when hydrogen is added to liquid oils to make solid fats, like shortening and margarine. It increases the shelf life and the flavor of foods. Partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, or shortening, was used in American kitchens as early as 1911.
However, in recent years many food manufacturers have taken steps to limit or eliminate trans fat from their products.
McDonald's, for instance, stopped cooking its french fries in trans fat more than a decade ago. The company's website says all its fried menu items are free of trans fat.
New York City in 2007 adopted a regulation banning partially hydrogenated vegetable oils and spreads in restaurants.

"Through our efforts at product reformulation and the development of suitable alternatives, trans fats that are not naturally occurring have been drastically reduced in the food supply," the Grocery Manufacturers Association, which represents more than 300 food, beverage and consumer product companies, said in a prepared statement.
"Since 2005, food manufacturers have voluntarily lowered the amounts of trans fats in their food products by over 73%."
Trans fat intake among American consumers decreased from 4.6 grams per day in 2003 to about a gram a day in 2012, according to the FDA.
However, "current intake remains a significant public health concern," FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg said in a written statement.
There is no safe level of consumption of trans fat, Hamburg said. It has been shown to raise the "bad," or LDL, cholesterol.
Other countries are also working to reduce trans fat in the food supply. Policies in Brazil, Costa Rica, Denmark, the Netherlands, South Korea and the United States have proved effective over the past two decades, the World Health Organization said in April. The WHO has called for eliminating trans fat from the global food supply.
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The FDA has opened a 60-day comment period on the determination "to collect additional data and to gain input on the time potentially needed for food manufacturers to reformulate products that currently contain artificial trans fat should this determination be finalized," the agency said.
There are two phases to the process, FDA officials said Thursday. The agency will evaluate the comments and evidence received during the comment period.
"If we finalize our conclusion, then we are inviting comments from industry on what would be an appropriate phaseout," said Michael Taylor, the agency's deputy commissioner for foods.
"The timeline would be based on the comments we get. Given the public health impact, we want to move as quickly as we can."
The National Restaurant Association noted in a statement the industry's "tremendous strides" in reducing or eliminating trans fats.
"We plan to discuss the impact of this proposal on the industry and submit comments, and we will continue to work with our members and the manufacturing supply chain to address any new federal standards that may arise out of this process," said Joan McGlockton, the association's vice president of industry affairs and food policy.
Hamburg called Thursday's move "an important step toward protecting more Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The American Heart Association and the Center for Science in the Public Interest were among those praising the move.
"The scientific evidence is clear -- eating food with trans fat increases production of 'bad' cholesterol, which is a risk factor for heart disease," the AHA said.
So what should consumers do in the meantime? Choose products that have the lowest combined amount of saturated fat, cholesterol and trans fat, the FDA said.
Dietary fats: Know which types to choose
Under current regulations, companies can claim their food has 0 grams of trans fat if the food contains less than 0.5 grams of trans fat per serving, according to Mical Honigfort, a consumer safety officer at the FDA. But if partially hydrogenated oil is listed in the ingredients, there may still be a small amount of trans fat present.
Nancy Brown, the Heart Association's CEO, said she hopes the FDA goes a step further and revises labels for foods that are trans fat free.
The preliminary determination was based on "available scientific evidence and the findings of expert scientific panels," the FDA said.
The determination covers only partially hydrogenated oils, not trans fat that naturally occurs in some meat and dairy products. Trans fat is also present at very low levels in other edible oils, such as fully hydrogenated oils, where it is "unavoidably produced during the manufacturing process," according to the FDA.
Avoiding foods containing artificially produced trans fat could prevent 10,000 to 20,000 heart attacks and 3,000 to 7,000 coronary heart disease deaths each year, according to one study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"Artificial trans fat is a uniquely powerful promoter of heart disease, and today's announcement will hasten its eventual disappearance from the food supply," said Michael Jacobson, the Center for Science in the Public Interest's executive director. "Not only is artificial trans fat not safe, it's not remotely necessary. Many companies, large and small, have switched to healthier oils over the past decade. I hope that those restaurants and food manufacturers that still use this harmful ingredient see the writing on the wall and promptly replace it."

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Old 11-07-2013, 12:47 PM   #2
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This is a perfect example of govt overreach that serves almost no purpose.

I have no problem with the FDA requiring all food containing trans fats to be labeled as such. I also have no problem with the FDA spearheading a very public campaign to educate people about trans fats and the health risks. Those are reasonable roles for the FDA to fill. There is however no need for them to step in and BAN something because they "know best." The fact is, you'd be hard pressed to FIND food containing trans fats anymore. The free market has already done its job and eliminated most of them.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:21 PM   #3
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This is a perfect example of govt overreach that serves almost no purpose.

I have no problem with the FDA requiring all food containing trans fats to be labeled as such. I also have no problem with the FDA spearheading a very public campaign to educate people about trans fats and the health risks. Those are reasonable roles for the FDA to fill. There is however no need for them to step in and BAN something because they "know best." The fact is, you'd be hard pressed to FIND food containing trans fats anymore. The free market has already done its job and eliminated most of them.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:33 PM   #4
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:34 PM   #5
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This is a perfect example of govt overreach that serves almost no purpose.

I have no problem with the FDA requiring all food containing trans fats to be labeled as such. I also have no problem with the FDA spearheading a very public campaign to educate people about trans fats and the health risks. Those are reasonable roles for the FDA to fill. There is however no need for them to step in and BAN something because they "know best." The fact is, you'd be hard pressed to FIND food containing trans fats anymore. The free market has already done its job and eliminated most of them.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:45 PM   #6
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This is a perfect example of govt overreach that serves almost no purpose.

I have no problem with the FDA requiring all food containing trans fats to be labeled as such. I also have no problem with the FDA spearheading a very public campaign to educate people about trans fats and the health risks. Those are reasonable roles for the FDA to fill. There is however no need for them to step in and BAN something because they "know best." The fact is, you'd be hard pressed to FIND food containing trans fats anymore. The free market has already done its job and eliminated most of them.
Well said and I agree.
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:53 PM   #8
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This is a perfect example of govt overreach that serves almost no purpose.

I have no problem with the FDA requiring all food containing trans fats to be labeled as such. I also have no problem with the FDA spearheading a very public campaign to educate people about trans fats and the health risks. Those are reasonable roles for the FDA to fill. There is however no need for them to step in and BAN something because they "know best." The fact is, you'd be hard pressed to FIND food containing trans fats anymore. The free market has already done its job and eliminated most of them.
Actually it's somewhat worse than that. The funny bit is people hate on things like transfats because of the potential to raise cholesterol. But the worse bit(according to the last time I looked), that lowering cholesterol doesn't appear to cause a statistically significant reduction in heart disease.

It's still not clear that lowering cholesterol actually helps reduce heart disease. It's just the current medical recommendation even if there isn't evidence to support it's benefit.

Which makes the policy even worse because the FDA is now banning something for political reasons not health reasons and that is a disturbing trend. Frankly there is probably better scientific data that we should ban red meat versus trans fats. So if we're banning trans fats why not red meat?
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Actually it's somewhat worse than that. The funny bit is people hate on things like transfats because of the potential to raise cholesterol. But the worse bit(according to the last time I looked), that lowering cholesterol doesn't appear to cause a statistically significant reduction in heart disease.

It's still not clear that lowering cholesterol actually helps reduce heart disease. It's just the current medical recommendation even if there isn't evidence to support it's benefit.

Which makes the policy even worse because the FDA is now banning something for political reasons not health reasons and that is a disturbing trend. Frankly there is probably better scientific data that we should ban red meat versus trans fats. So if we're banning trans fats why not red meat?
You're confusing two different issues. It is true that recent studies are showing that saturated fats are actually good for you and that lowering your cholesterol doesn't automatically make you healthier or allow you to live longer.

Transfat is a whole different issue and the recent studies continue to show that they are bad for you. VERY BAD.

With that in mind you should still be able to eat them up like Austin said.

It's these kind of stupid rules that lead to worse issues down the road. Like McDonalds switching away from lard for frying so many years ago because it was "bad" for you. Well it turns out that lard is a lot better for you than canola oil.

What you're getting into here is systematic inflammation and lipid particle density.
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Old 11-07-2013, 04:07 PM   #10
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This is a perfect example of govt overreach that serves almost no purpose.

I have no problem with the FDA requiring all food containing trans fats to be labeled as such. I also have no problem with the FDA spearheading a very public campaign to educate people about trans fats and the health risks. Those are reasonable roles for the FDA to fill. There is however no need for them to step in and BAN something because they "know best." The fact is, you'd be hard pressed to FIND food containing trans fats anymore. The free market has already done its job and eliminated most of them.
**** the FDA. Labeling everything as to exactly what it actually is and where it came from would be the single greatest thing they could do but that will never happen. Mandatory labeling of GMO's and the products that use them would be a great start. Not going to happen with our Commander and Queef putting Monsanto executives in the FDA.
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Old 11-07-2013, 04:12 PM   #11
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You're confusing two different issues. It is true that recent studies are showing that saturated fats are actually good for you and that lowering your cholesterol doesn't automatically make you healthier or allow you to live longer.

Transfat is a whole different issue and the recent studies continue to show that they are bad for you. VERY BAD.

With that in mind you should still be able to eat them up like Austin said.

It's these kind of stupid rules that lead to worse issues down the road. Like McDonalds switching away from lard for frying so many years ago because it was "bad" for you. Well it turns out that lard is a lot better for you than canola oil.

What you're getting into here is systematic inflammation and lipid particle density.
Actually the point I was referring to(but probably wasn't super clear about) was the issue of trying to manage cholesterol in otherwise healthy people. For people with heart disease managing cholesterol is a good thing. Studies have been run with things like statins to see if preventative lowering of cholesterol actually increases lifespan.

So far the answer has been no. But that's not a result that certain drug companies would like because they want more people on statins not less. The question is, does transfats only increase cholesterol? If the answer is yes then the reality is, in an otherwise healthy individual it's not clear that it's really that bad for you. Someone with heart disease absolutely, everyone else, not so much.

It's one of the issues of our society, the answer to your problem isn't likely with a pill. Getting your butt off the couch will probably do far more to improve health and lifespan(and lower cholesterol) than trying to artificially control it.
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Which makes the policy even worse because the FDA is now banning something for political reasons not health reasons and that is a disturbing trend. Frankly there is probably better scientific data that we should ban red meat versus trans fats. So if we're banning trans fats why not red meat?
You are actually a little late to the party. The FDA already banned the original formula for Four Loko for pretty much political reasons. Since you can get the combination of caffeine and alcohol and in much stronger amounts with a vodka and red bull from your local barkeep.
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Foods can still contain up to 0.5 g per serving of trans fat and be labeled as containing 0. So you can still eat that shit without being informed. You're better off eating butter.
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Fine. A fair compromise would be to put a skull and cross bones on the ingredient label rather than considering eliminating the product.

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