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Old 11-04-2013, 04:16 PM  
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So we have an election tomorrow in Colorado, and one of the issues on the ballot is a massive tax increase to give money to K-12 schools. It's got all sorts of groundbreaking features, such as:

a) the largest state tax increase in Colorado history
b) the introduction of an income tax to fund schools, on top of property taxes
c) the introduction of a progressive income tax in Colorado that taxes higher incomes at a higher rate

Obviously, it's pretty controversial.

What really annoys me is that we heard recently that the mayor of New York (Bloomberg) gave $1 million to the campaign to pass this tax, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation gave $1 million to the campaign to pass this tax.

They're both promoting it as education reform, and whatever. The reason doesn't matter.

But why do we allow out-of-state interests who will not pay the tax to get involved and help get the new tax passed? I've got some rich guy in New York and some rich guy in Washington saying, "Well, hey. Let's get those people in Colorado to pay more taxes." Is there some rationale for doing this that I don't understand?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:55 AM   #76
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I would assume 1st amendment since the SC ruled that money was political speech
I just told you that already was mentioned by Direckshun to which I commented it didn't apply. Not exactly apples to apples here. Not only are there differences, but other parts of the Constitution apply because this is a state.

Citizens United was a case against the Federal Election Commission.
McCain–Feingold Act modified the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971. Let's not forget what was the heart of the matter in the Citizens case: a conservative group wanted to broadcast a film critical of Hillary Clinton.

Not every single thing even today, relies on using the incorporation doctrine. The Constitution says other things too. But this case is DIFFERENT--it is not identical even if it seems to have a similarity on the surface.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:36 AM   #77
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I own what I said because it's right. You're understanding of the constitution must have come from animated shorts on Saturday mornings.
The Commerce act was 1887 and the Antitrust Act was 1890. As an FYI, that means they were signed many decades prior to the 1930s. I know your extent of history is limited to "FDR=beginning of progressivism". That's why you faceplanted so badly here.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:40 AM   #78
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The Commerce Act may have been passed back then but it has continued to be amended and the abuse of the commerce clause expanded overtime. The 1887 act was designed to regulate railroads, which did pass state lines while engaging in commerce.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:41 AM   #79
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The Commerce Act may have been passed back then but the continued abuse of the commerce clause expanded overtime.
Perhaps but progressive interpretation of the Act was going on 50 years before the mid 1930s. It's expansion was wayyyyy before when Patteu the circus clown claimed it started.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:00 AM   #80
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The Commerce act was 1887 and the Antitrust Act was 1890. As an FYI, that means they were signed many decades prior to the 1930s. I know your extent of history is limited to "FDR=beginning of progressivism". That's why you faceplanted so badly here.
Try to get this into your head. Those statutes don't stretch the commerce clause the way you're claiming they do. Those statutes fit comfortably within the conservative reading of the commerce clause. Your progressive reading of an expansive commerce clause that gives the federal government sweeping authority and hollows out the 10th amendment only came in vogue with FDR's new deal era SCOTUS. In fact, your take is more progressive than current jurisprudence as the Reinquist and Roberts courts have begun to once again constrain the commerce clause. Get out of here with your constitutional illiteracy.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:15 AM   #81
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Try to get this into your head. Those statutes don't stretch the commerce clause the way you're claiming they do. Those statutes fit comfortably within the conservative reading of the commerce clause.

Wow. You've hit a new low, and that's really saying something.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:16 AM   #82
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Wow. You've hit a new low, and that's really saying something.
You're a weird dude.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:18 AM   #83
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You're a weird dude.
I know you're too proud to ever admit you're wrong, but this was really bad even by your lowly standards.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:24 AM   #84
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Sorry Prison Bitch, I get patteeu's point here and I am not one to always agree with him. But he's essentially more right on this one.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:28 AM   #85
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Sorry Prison Bitch, I get patteeu's point here and I am not one to always agree with him. But he's essentially more right on this one.
"More right" in the same way that yesterday is more recent than the dawn of time.
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Sorry Prison Bitch, I get patteeu's point here and I am not one to always agree with him. But he's essentially more right on this one.
The date of passage on the 2 Acts proves he is dead wrong. But I haven't ever looked to you for any type of ruling on, well, anything factual. You truly are te Palin of the board.
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The date of passage on the 2 Acts proves he is dead wrong. But I haven't ever looked to you for any type of ruling on, well, anything factual. You truly are te Palin of the board.
Keep swinging away with your stumps, Black Knight.
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I just told you that already was mentioned by Direckshun to which I commented it didn't apply. Not exactly apples to apples here. Not only are there differences, but other parts of the Constitution apply because this is a state.

Citizens United was a case against the Federal Election Commission.
McCain–Feingold Act modified the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971. Let's not forget what was the heart of the matter in the Citizens case: a conservative group wanted to broadcast a film critical of Hillary Clinton.

Not every single thing even today, relies on using the incorporation doctrine. The Constitution says other things too. But this case is DIFFERENT--it is not identical even if it seems to have a similarity on the surface.
Wasn't that a free-speech, (1st Amendment) case?

Is the 1st Amendment not fully incorporated to the states?
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Wasn't that a free-speech, (1st Amendment) case?

Is the 1st Amendment not fully incorporated to the states?
I don't support incorporation the way it's been expanded. I support originalist construction.
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Keep swinging away with your stumps, Black Knight.
Tell us more about the "conservative nature" of the Commerce Act.
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