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So we have an election tomorrow in Colorado, and one of the issues on the ballot is a massive tax increase to give money to K-12 schools. It's got all sorts of groundbreaking features, such as:

a) the largest state tax increase in Colorado history
b) the introduction of an income tax to fund schools, on top of property taxes
c) the introduction of a progressive income tax in Colorado that taxes higher incomes at a higher rate

Obviously, it's pretty controversial.

What really annoys me is that we heard recently that the mayor of New York (Bloomberg) gave $1 million to the campaign to pass this tax, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation gave $1 million to the campaign to pass this tax.

They're both promoting it as education reform, and whatever. The reason doesn't matter.

But why do we allow out-of-state interests who will not pay the tax to get involved and help get the new tax passed? I've got some rich guy in New York and some rich guy in Washington saying, "Well, hey. Let's get those people in Colorado to pay more taxes." Is there some rationale for doing this that I don't understand?
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:36 PM   #106
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Well, I'd like to thank Bloomberg and the Gates Family for importing $1 million of advertising into Colorado. Their bill is getting destroyed. It's not even close to being close. Crisis averted.
Of course it's getting destroyed. Everyone pays lip-service to the importance of education, but when it comes time to pay bills....people can't give up first class for coach for their Aspen ski weekend, or a bit of their $2,000 weekend at the Broncos-Chiefs game and tail gate.

Priorities, you know?
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:47 PM   #107
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Of course it's getting destroyed. Everyone pays lip-service to the importance of education, but when it comes time to pay bills....people can't give up first class for coach for their Aspen ski weekend, or a bit of their $2,000 weekend at the Broncos-Chiefs game and tail gate.

Priorities, you know?
How much per month do you think I should pay for schools? Give me a number that's reasonable.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:08 PM   #108
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I guess this means that all the crying and moaning about campaign spending limitations is totally pointless.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:11 PM   #109
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How much per month do you think I should pay for schools? Give me a number that's reasonable.
Depends on a lot of variables I don't know for CO. Whatever it is, though,,, it will be too much for people with plenty of money to spend on jewelry, fine wines, and luxury cars....because, well, most of them send their own kids to private schools. Or for folks who find money for cigs, malt liqour, and lottery tickets--but never bother to ever attend their kid's parent-teacher conferences.

Not saying that is you, Kev. Just the reality. Just sayin'
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:16 PM   #110
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Voters reject big tax hike, school finance measure Amendment 66

Voters emphatically rejected a $950 million tax increase and the school funding revamp that came with it, handing Amendment 66 a resounding defeat Tuesday night.

The measure fell behind by a large margin as the early returns were counted, with nearly two-thirds of voters giving it a thumbs-down, and the outcome was clear just a little more than an hour after the polls closed.

"Colorado families spoke loud and clear," said Kelly Maher, executive director of Compass Colorado, which opposed Amendment 66. "We need substantive outcome-driven reforms to the educational system before we ask families and small businesses to foot a major tax bill."

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Old 11-05-2013, 10:32 PM   #111
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Depends on a lot of variables I don't know for CO. Whatever it is, though,,, it will be too much for people with plenty of money to spend on jewelry, fine wines, and luxury cars....because, well, most of them send their own kids to private schools. Or for folks who find money for cigs, malt liqour, and lottery tickets--but never bother to ever attend their kid's parent-teacher conferences.

Not saying that is you, Kev. Just the reality. Just sayin'
Gotcha.

I'm not sure what the right amount is, but I don't think it should be a given that any tax hike for schools be passed. This one set all sorts of bad precedents in process, and it was a very large tax hike.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:56 AM   #112
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This is kinda how I feel about school tax in general. Went to private school from grades 1 thru 12 (so did all my brothers and sisters) and have no kids. And now we can add bum **** barry care to the list of things the government is causing more of my money to be taken away from me.

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Old 11-06-2013, 07:54 AM   #113
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Of course it's getting destroyed. Everyone pays lip-service to the importance of education, but when it comes time to pay bills....people can't give up first class for coach for their Aspen ski weekend, or a bit of their $2,000 weekend at the Broncos-Chiefs game and tail gate.

Priorities, you know?
Priorities like the more govt money goes into education the results still don't improve.

Those who do pay the property tax for local education, the portion to the federal govt for experimenting on our children AND pay for private school DO pay for it (doubly) and have their priorities straight. Such as going without a second car or living in a smaller house when they could have lived in a larger one by just using a public school.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:20 AM   #114
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Priorities like the more govt money goes into education the results still don't improve.

Those who do pay the property tax for local education, the portion to the federal govt for experimenting on our children AND pay for private school DO pay for it (doubly) and have their priorities straight. Such as going without a second car or living in a smaller house when they could have lived in a larger one by just using a public school.
Less money, inadequate funding though....definitely can make things worse.

And, yes, bravo for your personal choice and sacrifice. However, many who make that choice do so for elitist or racist reason...rather than simply a quality of education issue. Our public district test scores for comparable demographic groups actually exceeds private school test scores in our area...although I know that's not the norm. So, here, it's often a choice based on elitist or racist reasons.
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Less money, inadequate funding though....definitely can make things worse.
Yet, it still isn't the real problem. More and more is poured into education than ever before.

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And, yes, bravo for your personal choice and sacrifice. However, many who make that choice do so for elitist or racist reason...rather than simply a quality of education issue. Our public district test scores for comparable demographic groups actually exceeds private school test scores in our area...although I know that's not the norm. So, here, it's often a choice based on elitist or racist reasons.
"Many" is a sweeping generality and likely false. In a free country, even if true, it's should be allowed. Your district is likely more rural which is often spared of some the worst trends in education elsewhere.
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Less money, inadequate funding though....definitely can make things worse.

And, yes, bravo for your personal choice and sacrifice. However, many who make that choice do so for elitist or racist reason...rather than simply a quality of education issue. Our public district test scores for comparable demographic groups actually exceeds private school test scores in our area...although I know that's not the norm. So, here, it's often a choice based on elitist or racist reasons.
Sadly Public schools only teach what's on the standardized test. Private schools have a deeper curriculum and similar test scores don't tell the whole story. Perhaps wanting a religious based education or a more diverse curriculum is the driving force and not racism or elitism.
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Priorities like the more govt money goes into education the results still don't improve.

Those who do pay the property tax for local education, the portion to the federal govt for experimenting on our children AND pay for private school DO pay for it (doubly) and have their priorities straight. Such as going without a second car or living in a smaller house when they could have lived in a larger one by just using a public school.
He's not interested in educational results. His sole interest is in maintaining the flow from his spigot and, if possible, to get it to run a little faster.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:28 AM   #118
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Sadly Public schools only teach what's on the standardized test. Private schools have a deeper curriculum and similar test scores don't tell the whole story. Perhaps wanting a religious based education or a more diverse curriculum is the driving force and not racism or elitism.
Sometimes there's that, yes; too often it's a convenient excuse for racism and elitism though.

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He's not interested in educational results. His sole interest is in maintaining the flow from his spigot and, if possible, to get it to run a little faster.
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.... Our public district test scores for comparable demographic groups actually exceeds private school test scores in our area...although I know that's not the norm. So, here, it's often a choice based on elitist or racist reasons.
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