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Old 11-04-2013, 05:00 PM  
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No partisan primaries. Top two vote getters square off in the general election.

Our local mayoral race was run like this. Republicans, Democrats, Independents were all on the ballot together. The top two vote getters face off in the general election tomorrow.

Did some research and it looks like its an idea thats being tried in a lot of states. I can see alot of good coming out of this type of approach?

What say you?
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:07 PM   #2
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I read about this the other day.

I think it's brilliant. It's yeilded great results in shutting out extremists in both parties.

There's too much money at stake for it to be widely popular, but it really, really should be.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:27 PM   #3
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Minneapolis mayor race is doing that today.

ranked choice voting

34 candidates.

here is a link from the startrib-to show how it works.

one problem I see is some whack job getting in. Almost Jesse Ventura style.
People voted for him, because no one thought anyone would vote for him.

second problem-is it a way to squeeze out a particular party? I don't know.

http://apps.startribune.com/news/201...choice-voting/
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:12 PM   #4
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Another thought.

Elections are supposed to be one person, one vote

To me, this is one person-three votes.
Very Chicago like. Vote early vote often.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:46 PM   #5
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Seems like a very good way to make sure that nothing important changes. It shuts out ideas from folks that are influenced by Occupy or the Tea Party. If I had a shit-ton of money and power, I'd back the plan.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:33 PM   #6
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Looks interesting. I'd support changes to encourage people to vote outside of party affiliations and this seems to do that.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:25 PM   #7
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As of 6pm, there is no declared winner in the MPLS mayoral contest.
It may go into tomorrow
This may be an unintended consequence of ranked choice voting.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:38 PM   #8
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Seems like a very good way to make sure that nothing important changes. It shuts out ideas from folks that are influenced by Occupy or the Tea Party. If I had a shit-ton of money and power, I'd back the plan.
I think it would allow the minority to get a chance in front of the electorate than having to fight the establishment just to get heard.

This would work on the right and left. I don't see how this type of primary/general would work out better for either party. We would still have a even playing field. Gerrymandering is killing us but thats another discussion.

I do think the voters would profit from hearing new non-establishment ideas.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:55 PM   #9
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I think it would allow the minority to get a chance in front of the electorate than having to fight the establishment just to get heard.

This would work on the right and left. I don't see how this type of primary/general would work out better for either party. We would still have a even playing field. Gerrymandering is killing us but thats another discussion.

I do think the voters would profit from hearing new non-establishment ideas.
Race baiting and eat-the-rich demagoguery are killing us.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:56 PM   #10
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I read about this the other day.

I think it's brilliant. It's yeilded great results in shutting out extremists in both parties.
Extremists according to who? You? The mainstream conventional stupidity? Let's shut out new ideas because some folks don't like them thereby labeling them extreme.

Lol, sounds like more govt controls--just what you and other lefties love.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:57 PM   #11
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:00 PM   #12
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I read about this the other day.

I think it's brilliant. It's yeilded great results in shutting out extremists in both parties.

There's too much money at stake for it to be widely popular, but it really, really should be.
Dude you're a leftist who votes straight ticket with the rest of the Hive. You're not the best person to be extolling getting rid of "extremists" when you are one
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:48 PM   #13
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Dude you're a leftist who votes straight ticket with the rest of the Hive. You're not the best person to be extolling getting rid of "extremists" when you are one
Vote for a lot of Democrats, do you?
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:06 PM   #14
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How are debates determined?
Well the mayoral race here everyone was in on the debate. There was only 6 people though. An establishment Republican and Democrat ended up in the general election. But, I heard the other 4 candidates views and proposals. I'm sure that I wouldn't if I didnt watch the primary debate.

Those large 34 candidate debates would have to be round robin so everyone would get a chance against the other candidates.

The more I think about this I don't see how any established party or group would profit more than other established groups or parties from this type of system. But, I could definitely see how the little guy, the underfunded guy with ideas could get a voice to see if the majority also thinks they have good ideas.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:39 PM   #15
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Vote for a lot of Democrats, do you?
Never, but then I'm not the one advocating for less partisanship, dork.
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