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Old 11-07-2013, 11:15 PM  
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Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead

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A father's attempt to teach his son a lesson for taking his truck without permission ended in tragedy Monday after a local police officer shot the teenager dead.

James Comstock told the Des Moines Register he called the police on his son Tyler after the latter took the former's truck in retaliation for refusing to buy him cigarettes.

Ames Police Officer Adam McPherson reportedly spotted the lawn care company vehicle and pursued it onto the Iowa State University campus, where a brief standoff ensued after Tyler allegedly refused orders to turn off the engine.

McPherson eventually fired six shots into the truck, two of which struck Tyler who was later pronounced dead.

The official report claims the action was necessary in order "to stop the ongoing threat to the public and the officers."

Tyler's dad says he was unarmed at the time.

"So he didn't shut the damn truck off, so let's fire six rounds at him?" exclaimed Gary Shepley, Tyler's step-grandfather. "We're confused, and we don't understand."

James said his son had his fair share of minor troubles with the law, and was distraught over a recent breakup with his girlfriend, but was in the process of turning his life around, and was working on obtaining his GED at Des Moines Area Community College.

"He was a smart kid. He made his own computers. He was interested in IT," James told the Register.

The family's demands for answers got even louder following the revelation that a member of the Ames police department suggested twice that officers call off the chase.

"He took off with my truck. I call the police, and they kill him," James said. ""It was over a damn pack of cigarettes."

McPherson is currently on paid leave pending the results of his department's investigation.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:47 AM   #91
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I don't need to give an explanation as to why.

This is just flat out wrong. Cop kills the kid, this is murder. He will get away with it because he is an authority figure and can pull that type of shit. This is what bothers me. Its wrong he didn't have to take the kids life over such a minor issue.

The kid was stupid for refusing to not obey the officer, but did he really have to kill him? Why not just wrestle him down to the ground and arrest him?

*Something should happen to the cop because he committed murder. Protect and serve I understand but their should be conditions to that sort of stuff. It should only happen if that person is armed and the cop felt threatened and then I could understand the cop killing the kid out of the sake of self defense.
But this situation didn't exactly resemble that. Not to its full extent anyway.


You haven't apparently watched the dash cam vid.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:49 AM   #92
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I don't need to give an explanation as to why.

This is just flat out wrong. Cop kills the kid, this is murder. He will get away with it because he is an authority figure and can pull that type of shit. This is what bothers me. Its wrong he didn't have to take the kids life over such a minor issue.

The kid was stupid for refusing to not obey the officer, but did he really have to kill him? Why not just wrestle him down to the ground and arrest him?

*Something should happen to the cop because he committed murder. Protect and serve I understand but their should be conditions to that sort of stuff. It should only happen if that person is armed and the cop felt threatened and then I could understand the cop killing the kid out of the sake of self defense.
But this situation didn't exactly resemble that. Not to its full extent anyway.
Yeah, no one could be killed by a car.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:50 AM   #93
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I don't need to give an explanation as to why.

This is just flat out wrong. Cop kills the kid, this is murder. He will get away with it because he is an authority figure and can pull that type of shit. This is what bothers me. Its wrong he didn't have to take the kids life over such a minor issue.

The kid was stupid for refusing to not obey the officer, but did he really have to kill him? Why not just wrestle him down to the ground and arrest him?

*Something should happen to the cop because he committed murder. Protect and serve I understand but their should be conditions to that sort of stuff. It should only happen if that person is armed and the cop felt threatened and then I could understand the cop killing the kid out of the sake of self defense.
But this situation didn't exactly resemble that. Not to its full extent anyway.
So if the one cop goes in to take him down....and he's run over and killed. Is it ok for the other cop to kill the kid?

Seriously? You ****ing moron.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:50 AM   #94
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I doubt I'd take a stolen vehicle report if the kid lived at home and has had access to the truck on a routine basis to start off with. But I know if I was about to get run over or saw anyone about to get run over, it would be a game changer.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:51 AM   #95
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So if the one cop goes in to take him down....and he's run over and killed. Is it ok for the other cop to kill the kid?

Seriously? You ****ing moron.
I have to believe that "bricks" hasn't watched the dash cam vid. I didn't offer an opinion until I saw it. Once viewed, that was an easy decision to take that dumb **** down.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:53 AM   #96
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People need to watch the dash cam video. The article makes it sound like it's a medium speed chase where the kid pulls over at the end and then refuses to get out of the truck. That's not even close to what happened.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:55 AM   #97
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People need to watch the dash cam video. The article makes it sound like it's a medium speed chase where the kid pulls over at the end and then refuses to get out of the truck. That's not even close to what happened.
Yep. The article really doesn't match up with the vid. It's a game-changer for sure.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:57 AM   #98
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People need to watch the dash cam video. The article makes it sound like it's a medium speed chase where the kid pulls over at the end and then refuses to get out of the truck. That's not even close to what happened.
People don't want to mess around with silly things like facts when they are just going to get into the way of their cop-hating.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:58 AM   #99
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Well, back in the day a cop also might worked a wife beater over with his fists or let a kid who'd been caught in trouble the first time go by dropping him off to his parents - without fear that if the car video gets looked at he'll be fired.

It seems like police used to have more latitude and opportunity to work with members of the community, and that they knew people in that community and had relationships with them. Things seem more beurocratic and black and white now.

And beyond that, our litigation society has made it so they have to worry so much more about getting sued or facing criminal charges for the details of the manner in which they do things. They have cameras and microphones watching them all the time. Doesn't it seem like police used to have more ability to be autonomous?

There are people of bad character in every profession, and we also can't always expect people to pause and evaluate with calm contemplation what they should do when someone who they have at gunpoint tries to hit them with their car.

Police today are being tasked with the jobs parents have not done, mopping up for all the messed up home environment kids who were never parented or disciplined or had any rules. It's not what police should be.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:59 AM   #100
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The father of a friend of mine in college was the Chief of Police in Wichita. If cops pursued a high speed chase through a populated civilian area on his watch, he would have had their ass.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:00 PM   #101
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You never call the cops on family unless you are in fear for your life. That being said the kid got what he deserved. If you think you can use a vehicle as a weapon and not get shot you are an idiot.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:01 PM   #102
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The father of a friend of mine in college was the Chief of Police in Wichita. If cops pursued a high speed chase through a populated civilian area on his watch, he would have had their ass.
Not one single **** is given.

Question for you.....what would happen if the runner takes off and the cop stops following him? Do you think then that the criminal slows down to the required speed limit and drives safely? Maybe stops at stop signs and red lights?
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:03 PM   #103
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I don't need to give an explanation as to why.

This is just flat out wrong. Cop kills the kid, this is murder. He will get away with it because he is an authority figure and can pull that type of shit. This is what bothers me. Its wrong he didn't have to take the kids life over such a minor issue.

The kid was stupid for refusing to not obey the officer, but did he really have to kill him? Why not just wrestle him down to the ground and arrest him?

*Something should happen to the cop because he committed murder. Protect and serve I understand but their should be conditions to that sort of stuff. It should only happen if that person is armed and the cop felt threatened and then I could understand the cop killing the kid out of the sake of self defense.
But this situation didn't exactly resemble that. Not to its full extent anyway.
Once again I refer to the dash cam video.


This 'kid' was all about crushing them with his truck (aka a weapon). He did it multiple times, backed up, ran over shit, almost hit a pedestrian, nearly t-boned people at an intersection, and oh yea, HE TRIED to kill them with his truck.
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Not one single **** is given.

Question for you.....what would happen if the runner takes off and the cop stops following him? Do you think then that the criminal slows down to the required speed limit and drives safely? Maybe stops at stop signs and red lights?
Actually, yes. Once confident he had escaped the cops, he most likely would have slowed down. Cops chasing a vehicle at high speed causes more danger than it prevents.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:03 PM   #105
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Not one single **** is given.

Question for you.....what would happen if the runner takes off and the cop stops following him? Do you think then that the criminal slows down to the required speed limit and drives safely? Maybe stops at stop signs and red lights?
The police statement actually says the officers backed off and slowed their speed down, but the kid kept driving like a kook.
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