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Old 11-08-2013, 01:28 AM  
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Nomination is Christie's to lose?

I'm having a hard time seeing how Chris Christie doesn't walk away with thing at this point, and I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There's plenty to like about him, though I don't know too much about his foreign policy.

At this point, I don't think Rand can knock him off. I don't think Cruz can knock him off. It's hard to believe Perry could given how terribly he fared the last time around.

There's a lot to happen between then and now - but that's kind of the point. Christie is going to be travelling the country campaigning for governors and raising a ton of cash. And to boot, he's winning a lot of democrats over - he'd have to to win as large as he has in Jersey. He's winning blue dogs over with tough love. He's basically selling conservative ideas minus the Jesus, and what we're seeing is that there's a huge base of democrats that eat it up like Alpo.

Christie is a real problem for the Democrats because if they're running Hillary, they're running her as a leftist version of Christie, and he's going to suck all of the air out of that conversation.

It's hard to imagine right now who is going to beat this juggernaut. I don't think Christie needs either Christian conservatives or libertarians to win. I think he'll pull enough out of the Democrat column to manage just fine.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:50 AM   #31
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Always so nice of partisan Dems to eagerly point out how unpure Rep candidates are, so they can spend the next 4 years bitching about how rigid the Rep party is.

For progressives, there are 3 types of people who are not precisely like them, the stupid, the evil and the dreaded moderate who MUST be destroyed.
I have no problem with his union stance. The banning of abortion and prohibition on gay marriage are the real deal breakers and what makes him unelectable.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:53 AM   #32
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Yes, I don't think the Dem picture solidifies for another 18 months.
If the Dems wait 18 months to ID their next leadership that ain't Hillary-Reid-Pelosi, the moonbat faction will win control of the nomination process. Regarding the general election...that would give the GOP the opening they need, and maybe even the upper-hand going into 2016.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:55 AM   #33
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I have no problem with his union stance. The banning of abortion and prohibition on gay marriage are the real deal breakers and what makes him unelectable.
What an odd thing to say.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:57 AM   #34
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Christie's win is being seriously overrated. His opponent was an incompetent politician, and received no help from the Democratic party. He also made sure to hold the special election early so that Booker wouldn't draw votes away from him.

In fact, had Booker run against him, he would have won.

Further complicating matters is that Christie will be forced to tack hard right in order to win the nomination. If he doesn't, he'll get torpedoed in all the southern states.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:58 AM   #35
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:00 AM   #36
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I have no problem with his union stance. The banning of abortion and prohibition on gay marriage are the real deal breakers and what makes him unelectable.


Anyone surprised at this coming from KC native?
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:01 AM   #37
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Christie's win is being seriously overrated. His opponent was an incompetent politician, and received no help from the Democratic party. He also made sure to hold the special election early so that Booker wouldn't draw votes away from him.

In fact, had Booker run against him, he would have won.

Further complicating matters is that Christie will be forced to tack hard right in order to win the nomination. If he doesn't, he'll get torpedoed in all the southern states.
That still leaves the million dollar question: who's the Dem nominee? If it ends up Hillary, several Christie-like GOPers become "viable."
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:04 AM   #38
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In fact, had Booker run against him, he would have won..
Prove it.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:18 AM   #39
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Despite all the support on MSNBC, Bluedog Democrats and others who won't be voting in a Republican primary, in the face of a credible conservative governor (Scott Walker or equivalent) Christie won't win the Republican nomination:

- He is on record supporting the assault weapons ban and opposing concealed carry. He supports the NJ one gun a month law.

- His record on taxes is decent, taxes haven't gone up, but not stellar.

- Reconstruction progress and selection of contractors for the Sandy rebuild effort has come under scrutiny. Better than NY, but it just takes a few disgruntled citizens to appear in a TV ad.

- Threw Romney under the bus and held photo op with President Obama just days before the 2012 election.

- His 2012 convention speech was lackluster. (RNC delegates are the people he will need in the states to build any kind of ground game.)

- He is only recently pro-life. The extent of his commitment to the pro-life movement is hotly debated in pro-life circles.

- Christie withdrew the appeal of the NJ court decision on gay marriage.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #40
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If the Dems wait 18 months to ID their next leadership that ain't Hillary-Reid-Pelosi, the moonbat faction will win control of the nomination process. Regarding the general election...that would give the GOP the opening they need, and maybe even the upper-hand going into 2016.
Are you forgetting the demographic death spiral? He is not going to be able to stop that death spiral with his stance on immigration. He will have to go to the right to win the nomination.

Chrisiti vs. Hillary seems like the most probably match up. But the election is a long time away. Foreign affairs happen. Terriosts come to America. Natural disasters etc.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:26 AM   #41
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What an odd thing to say.
Why is that?
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:31 AM   #42
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There are just a handful of issues that will keep us from ever addressing the size and bloat of the government.

Abortion
Gay Marriage
Guns

You give me a candidate that can tackle entitlements, simplify the tax code and get spending under control. Everything else can wait.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:33 AM   #43
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There are just a handful of issues that will keep us from ever addressing the size and bloat of the government.

Abortion
Gay Marriage
Guns

You give me a candidate that can tackle entitlements, simplify the tax code and get spending under control. Everything else can wait.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:34 AM   #44
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Yea cause, like, another establishment Republican is exactly what the base wanted to see. Surely they would turn out of one this time.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:36 AM   #45
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I don't think you'd like his past foreign policy positions, Taco. That said, I'm not sure he's actually married to them, so we'll have to wait and see what he's for this time around.
It's not the positions that I have a problem with (I mean, I do, but...) so much as the fact that congress doesn't take its responsibility to direct whether this country goes to war or not. My first problem is with blanket authorizations that abdicate responsibility. I can respect the position of someone that we need to go to war for x, y, or z reason(s). What I can't respect is eliminating the public debate over it with a blanket authorization that puts the decision in the hands of one person and their political team.
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