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Old 11-08-2013, 01:28 AM  
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Nomination is Christie's to lose?

I'm having a hard time seeing how Chris Christie doesn't walk away with thing at this point, and I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There's plenty to like about him, though I don't know too much about his foreign policy.

At this point, I don't think Rand can knock him off. I don't think Cruz can knock him off. It's hard to believe Perry could given how terribly he fared the last time around.

There's a lot to happen between then and now - but that's kind of the point. Christie is going to be travelling the country campaigning for governors and raising a ton of cash. And to boot, he's winning a lot of democrats over - he'd have to to win as large as he has in Jersey. He's winning blue dogs over with tough love. He's basically selling conservative ideas minus the Jesus, and what we're seeing is that there's a huge base of democrats that eat it up like Alpo.

Christie is a real problem for the Democrats because if they're running Hillary, they're running her as a leftist version of Christie, and he's going to suck all of the air out of that conversation.

It's hard to imagine right now who is going to beat this juggernaut. I don't think Christie needs either Christian conservatives or libertarians to win. I think he'll pull enough out of the Democrat column to manage just fine.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:37 AM   #46
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Yea cause, like, another establishment Republican is exactly what the base wanted to see. Surely they would turn out of one this time.
If New Jersey shows anything, it's that Christie creates his own base out of both Democrats and Republicans.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:43 AM   #47
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If New Jersey shows anything, it's that Christie creates his own base out of both Democrats and Republicans.
Um yes, Mittens was pretty good at getting Dems to like him too.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:45 AM   #48
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Look how tall that girl is between the two guys that high five each other.

She's like 7 foot tall, she should try out for the Lakers.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:47 AM   #49
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Um yes, Mittens was pretty good at getting Dems to like him too.
True, but Mitt came off as one of the rich elite guys that couldn't relate to the common man, espcially after the 47% comment came up. Christie comes off like an average guy that you want to sit down and have a double cheeseburger with. Obama showed us that likability can take you far.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:49 AM   #50
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If New Jersey shows anything, it's that Christie creates his own base out of both Democrats and Republicans.
How does that help him in Republican caucuses and primaries?
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:54 AM   #51
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There are just a handful of issues that will keep us from ever addressing the size and bloat of the government.

Abortion
Gay Marriage
Guns

You give me a candidate that can tackle entitlements, simplify the tax code and get spending under control. Everything else can wait.
We gave you Guiliani, and Dems bitched incessantly about him having gay friends and somehow crafted the narrative that being a solid mayor of NYC on 9/11 was actually a bad thing in the end.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:55 AM   #52
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How does that help him in Republican caucuses and primaries?
At some point, adults in the GOP will have to accept that electability matters more than ideological purity, and kowtowing to fringe elements....especially given demographic trends that are burying them.

Or they can become 21st Century Whigs.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:57 AM   #53
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There are just a handful of issues that will keep us from ever addressing the size and bloat of the government.

Abortion
Gay Marriage
Guns
Yep. But maybe just maybe they will wake up one day and actually compromise to the point no one is happy but they met in the middle.
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You give me a candidate that can tackle entitlements, simplify the tax code and get spending under control. Everything else can wait.
I'm on board with that concept. We need the "grand bargain". Fix Social security, get medicare under control, stop this life long sucking at the government tit. Taxes will have to raised or loopholes closed for this to happen. Both sides have to piss off their bases to make this work.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:57 AM   #54
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Look how tall that girl is between the two guys that high five each other.

She's like 7 foot tall, she should try out for the Lakers.
Does she get to play with the chair she's standing on?

Like the girl wearing #62 behind Sweet Daddy Hate in the middle there.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:01 AM   #55
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Christie's win is being seriously overrated. His opponent was an incompetent politician, and received no help from the Democratic party. He also made sure to hold the special election early so that Booker wouldn't draw votes away from him.

In fact, had Booker run against him, he would have won.

Further complicating matters is that Christie will be forced to tack hard right in order to win the nomination. If he doesn't, he'll get torpedoed in all the southern states.
This. I don't get the love for Christie one tough question and the guy goes ape shit
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:04 AM   #56
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Despite all the support on MSNBC, Bluedog Democrats and others who won't be voting in a Republican primary, in the face of a credible conservative governor (Scott Walker or equivalent) Christie won't win the Republican nomination:

- He is on record supporting the assault weapons ban and opposing concealed carry. He supports the NJ one gun a month law.

- His record on taxes is decent, taxes haven't gone up, but not stellar.

- Reconstruction progress and selection of contractors for the Sandy rebuild effort has come under scrutiny. Better than NY, but it just takes a few disgruntled citizens to appear in a TV ad.

- Threw Romney under the bus and held photo op with President Obama just days before the 2012 election.

- His 2012 convention speech was lackluster. (RNC delegates are the people he will need in the states to build any kind of ground game.)

- He is only recently pro-life. The extent of his commitment to the pro-life movement is hotly debated in pro-life circles.

- Christie withdrew the appeal of the NJ court decision on gay marriage.
He's going to get exposed for using Sandy relief funds to make campaign commercials with. Seriously the guy is a piece of shit.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:11 AM   #57
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Does she get to play with the chair she's standing on?

Like the girl wearing #62 behind Sweet Daddy Hate in the middle there.

I want to see her dunk it over LeBron James that would be sweet.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:15 AM   #58
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Look at the poor girl behind the dude doing the stabbing motions. She has a cell phone trying to take a picture.

Those guys in front of her are blocking her, chivalry tossed to the side.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:17 AM   #59
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Look at the poor girl behind the dude doing the stabing motions. She has a cell phone trying to take a picture.

Those guys in front of her are blocking her, chivalry tossed to the side.
I'm pretty sure she was taking a picture of those guys to later put on Facebook titled "Look at these dumbasses".
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:32 AM   #60
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Um yes, Mittens was pretty good at getting Dems to like him too.
I don't think you can really compare Romney and Christie.

I mean... Everybody has known that fat popular guy who spits it straight, says funny things, and somehow people generally gravitate around no matter how caustic he gets. They can't wait to see what he does or says next.

And everybody knows a guy like Mormon Mitt who may be well pedigreed, but doesn't really carry the same gravitas.

Christie appeals across party lines in a way that I think few politicians are even capable of. Like Cochise says, it's personality politics.
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