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Old 11-08-2013, 12:28 AM  
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Nomination is Christie's to lose?

I'm having a hard time seeing how Chris Christie doesn't walk away with thing at this point, and I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There's plenty to like about him, though I don't know too much about his foreign policy.

At this point, I don't think Rand can knock him off. I don't think Cruz can knock him off. It's hard to believe Perry could given how terribly he fared the last time around.

There's a lot to happen between then and now - but that's kind of the point. Christie is going to be travelling the country campaigning for governors and raising a ton of cash. And to boot, he's winning a lot of democrats over - he'd have to to win as large as he has in Jersey. He's winning blue dogs over with tough love. He's basically selling conservative ideas minus the Jesus, and what we're seeing is that there's a huge base of democrats that eat it up like Alpo.

Christie is a real problem for the Democrats because if they're running Hillary, they're running her as a leftist version of Christie, and he's going to suck all of the air out of that conversation.

It's hard to imagine right now who is going to beat this juggernaut. I don't think Christie needs either Christian conservatives or libertarians to win. I think he'll pull enough out of the Democrat column to manage just fine.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:28 PM   #91
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I don't see what is surprising about supporting Obama at that time. I'm an issues guy, and Obama was hitting all of my issues at that time. Everyone sees Obama as the lying, incompetent person that he is today, but back at the time, nobody knew who he was outside of what he was saying. And what he was saying was that he was going to end the war. That he was going to stop raising the debt ceiling. That he was going to close guantanamo. That we weren't going to torture prisoners. That due process was important.

It's why I can sympathize with the fools who have been snookered by him and actually ended voting for him. He says pretty words. Of course, the more I learned about Obama's economic policies, the less I liked him. But economics weren't my top issue coming out of 2006. The war was, and Obama was the only person on the national stage saying anything about ending the war at that time until Ron Paul announced in March of 2007.

Also my prediction that Obama was going to win came before he even ... announced as a candidate. My projections are money. I occasionally go a bridge too far, but I'm always in the neighborhood.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:33 PM   #92
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I don't see what is surprising about supporting Obama at that time. I'm an issues guy, and Obama was hitting all of my issues at that time. Everyone sees Obama as the lying, incompetent person that he is today, but back at the time, nobody knew who he was outside of what he was saying. And what he was saying was that he was going to end the war. That he was going to stop raising the debt ceiling. That he was going to close guantanamo. That we weren't going to torture prisoners. That due process was important.
So you're claiming you're an issues guy, and it's just that Obama sucked. Obama's (and presumably yours as well) issues never, ever, lined up with Ayn Rand or the tea party folks you currently are gaga about. More likely is that you don't really know what you are talking about and you just go with the flavor of the month.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #93
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You think ridiculous, most think fact in a presidential election. You get pregant by rape and the government owns your body for 9 months. What happened to individual liberty to make our own decidions? Keeping government out of our lives?
Some people think that freedom to murder isn't an individual liberty that ought to be protected.

You don't seem to be familiar with Christie's pro life position or very aware of public sentiment on the issue. I guess that comes from living in a liberal media bubble.

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First I heard the term was Republican Senator Graham. Keep thinking its nonsense and keep your head in the sand. It's just not Latinos anymore. That train has left the station.
I laugh every time I see you type it. So naive.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #94
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Why don't they like him?
Besides then the fact he is a fat, obnoxious, New Jersey douchebag? Hmm, not sure what they dislike about him.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:39 PM   #95
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Besides then the fact he is a fat, obnoxious, New Jersey douchebag? Hmm, not sure what they dislike about him.
I'm not disputing Texans don't like him, but which part is it that really turns them off--the fat part or the New Jersey part?
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:40 PM   #96
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To be honest, the most common complaint I have seen is that he betrayed the GOP during the election and many question his loyalty. They see him as a politician willing to give up loyalty or ideals to get what is best for HIM.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:42 PM   #97
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So you're claiming you're an issues guy, and it's just that Obama sucked. Obama's (and presumably yours as well) issues never, ever, lined up with Ayn Rand or the tea party folks you currently are gaga about. More likely is that you don't really know what you are talking about and you just go with the flavor of the month.
Sure it does, as I understand it:

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And what he was saying was that he was going to end the war. That he was going to stop raising the debt ceiling. That he was going to close Guantanamo. That we weren't going to torture prisoners. That due process was important.
It's a bit slippery because there isn't really a Tea Party so they don't have an actual platform, and Ayn Rand was an author, but this isn't neo-con stuff that TJ is talking about.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:46 PM   #98
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So you're claiming you're an issues guy, and it's just that Obama sucked. Obama's (and presumably yours as well) issues never, ever, lined up with Ayn Rand or the tea party folks you currently are gaga about. More likely is that you don't really know what you are talking about and you just go with the flavor of the month.
I thought he explained it pretty well. Obama's view on the Iraq War aligned pretty well with Taco's at the time and for Taco, that was his focus. Later, he realized how much Obama sucked on economic issues and pretty much everything else.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:49 PM   #99
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So you're claiming you're an issues guy, and it's just that Obama sucked. Obama's (and presumably yours as well) issues never, ever, lined up with Ayn Rand or the tea party folks you currently are gaga about. More likely is that you don't really know what you are talking about and you just go with the flavor of the month.
To be fair, Teej has been pretty consistent with his adherence to economic nonsense.
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:59 PM   #100
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To be honest, the most common complaint I have seen is that he betrayed the GOP during the election and many question his loyalty. They see him as a politician willing to give up loyalty or ideals to get what is best for HIM.
Then those people are stupid. He was in a crisis and doing what was best for his state and being a leader. We don't have enough of that IMO.
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:00 PM   #101
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Then those people are stupid. He was in a crisis and doing what was best for his state and being a leader. We don't have enough of that IMO.
Remember Rick Perry has been elected governor of this state more than once.

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Then those people are stupid. He was in a crisis and doing what was best for his state and being a leader. We don't have enough of that IMO.
Are you suggesting that if he hadn't kissed up to Obama in such a public way, Obama would have prevented aid from flowing to New Jersey?
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:12 PM   #104
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So you're claiming you're an issues guy, and it's just that Obama sucked. Obama's (and presumably yours as well) issues never, ever, lined up with Ayn Rand or the tea party folks you currently are gaga about. More likely is that you don't really know what you are talking about and you just go with the flavor of the month.
They absolutely did. I've been a libertarian since college. I voted for Harry Browne. I voted for Michael Badnarik. I voted for Ron Paul. I didn't vote in college before that because I was too busy doing college things. Studying, partying, and working to scrape a couple of nickles.

My core has always been as an "economically conservative free market liberal" (that should bend some minds), and a civil rights absolutist who believes the practice of abortion is barbaric especially once you get into the second trimester. You can map just about every issue I have to this map. I believe it's the map to long term freedom and prosperity, despite the short term pains that come with it.

These are the same issues Ayn Rand finds important - though I think she gets plenty wrong. I think she's retarded when it comes to religion. I think her language about sacrifice is imprecise and largely misunderstood / miscommunicated. I like Ms. Rand though because I think she is an avatar of the European conservative who comes to their anti-socialist positions due to having actually lived in the stuff, and knows the perils of utopian nightmares first hand. She's the Orwell of Russia. Frankly, I think people who dismiss her views have a very shallow grasp of civil rights. But I digress.

The point is, as a libertarian not married to either party, I had seen this nation go to war for a questionable war that was not declared by congress. I had witnessed our troops hoodwinking naked prisoners and piling them on each other to humiliate them. I watched as we installed the Patriot Act, robbing civil rights, and establishing secret courts and massive spying aparatuses. I watched guantanamo bay turn into a due process bypass where torture is okay, and indefinitely holding innocent people was deemed to be acceptable.

Are you kidding me? How is anybody giving me any amount of crap for supporting the only guy who was speaking in the right direction towards any of these issues? I'm not embarrassed at all. He voted against raising the debt ceiling when he was a senator. He spoke out against the war. He even offered up a plan for how to get out of Iraq that I thought was very reasonable. It turned out to be bullshit, of course, but at the time when the blood was flowing, it sure sounded nice.

I found out the reality of who he as only as he talked, and it became clear that he was just another big government chicken hawk who happened to say thing prettier than Hillary was able to.
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:24 PM   #105
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That doesn't mean anything.
I don't see how it doesn't. Christie pulled the majority of the Hispanic/Latino vote, you do not honestly believe that will happen on a national level against Hillary or any other democrat do you?

The left praised McCain too until he got the nomination and then they turned on him. The same will happen with Christie. If the opposition likes my candidate, the probably shouldn't be he candidate, and really isn't mine to begin with.
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