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Old 11-08-2013, 12:28 AM  
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Nomination is Christie's to lose?

I'm having a hard time seeing how Chris Christie doesn't walk away with thing at this point, and I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. There's plenty to like about him, though I don't know too much about his foreign policy.

At this point, I don't think Rand can knock him off. I don't think Cruz can knock him off. It's hard to believe Perry could given how terribly he fared the last time around.

There's a lot to happen between then and now - but that's kind of the point. Christie is going to be travelling the country campaigning for governors and raising a ton of cash. And to boot, he's winning a lot of democrats over - he'd have to to win as large as he has in Jersey. He's winning blue dogs over with tough love. He's basically selling conservative ideas minus the Jesus, and what we're seeing is that there's a huge base of democrats that eat it up like Alpo.

Christie is a real problem for the Democrats because if they're running Hillary, they're running her as a leftist version of Christie, and he's going to suck all of the air out of that conversation.

It's hard to imagine right now who is going to beat this juggernaut. I don't think Christie needs either Christian conservatives or libertarians to win. I think he'll pull enough out of the Democrat column to manage just fine.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:06 PM   #121
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Enough people cared about the swift boat veterans when it came time to pull the lever for Kerry over Bush.

We can debate whether Benghazi will be impactful, but what we can't debate is whether there will be groups putting together commercial after commercial hammering Hillary about it. We can at least agree that will 100% happen, right?
I will grant you if we are in a war during the 2016 election it might be impactful if not no one is going to give a shit. And I agree super PACS will run ads as long as the candidate says it is ok.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #122
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What was he supposed to do? Tell the POTUS to shove it and stay away. That is stupid and people who don't like Christie because of that should get out of their grade school mentality.
He could have easily said that he didn't have time to play tour guide because he was dealing with an emergency. He didn't need to take time out from the disaster management to hold a joint photo op with Obama. And he certainly didn't need to lavish praise upon him or embrace him. It was all a selfish political move designed to payoff when he stood for re-election. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:21 PM   #123
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He could have easily said that he didn't have time to play tour guide because he was dealing with an emergency. He didn't need to take time out from the disaster management to hold a joint photo op with Obama. And he certainly didn't need to lavish praise upon him or embrace him. It was all a selfish political move designed to payoff when he stood for re-election. Nothing more, nothing less.
THAT was the killer. The photo op tour guide crap always happens in these situations so I can brush that off. But to ****ing hug the guy? That is where the line was crossed.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:22 PM   #124
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I think that there is a one other wildcard that people aren't considering much at this point, and that's Occupy (or whatever it morphs into). In 2000, we saw that movement, then called "Greens" cost Al Gore an election. In 2008, that set cost Hillary the election by supporting Obama. When Hillary goes for presidency in 2016, a lot of the same people who didn't like Gore in 2000 and didn't like her in 2008 are not going to like her this time around.

To the progressive left, Hillary Clinton is McCain in drag. Reasonable for a Republican, but too far right as a Democrat.

Elizabeth Warren is like the Ron Paul of the left right now. I don't know if she's running for president, but I find it hard to believe that she's not. I think she's going to find a lot of Naderists and Obama progressives in her base. Hillary's campaign is going to be smart, savvy, and ruthless. But it's not going to have the same grass roots fervor that Obama had because those people are only voting for her because shes as left as they can get. But like with Plato's cave, when they get a taste of Warren's progressivism, the Democrats may end up having the same problem that Republicans have: a war for the soul of the party.

Also, how is any of this affected if Bloomberg runs as an independent?

Polls about 2016 in 2013 don't matter because there are too many things that will happen between now and then that will change the dynamics.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:26 PM   #125
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I don't know a single conservative from anywhere except the coast(s) that can STAND Christie. I'd be amazed if he could win the primary. Not a chance in HELL he wins Texas unless the entire field is crap or it's just him and some super fringe candidate at that point.
Yeah, there's just something about him that I think won't go over too well in flyover country. I guess that image of him hugging Obama like he's some kind of savior in the Hurricane Sandy aftermath just was a little much.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:27 PM   #126
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THAT was the killer. The photo op tour guide crap always happens in these situations so I can brush that off. But to ****ing hug the guy? That is where the line was crossed.
Hug him and gush about what a great job he's supposedly doing on the eve of an election where your party is trying to unseat him.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:31 PM   #127
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Elizabeth Warren is not only new to Washington, but relatively young. I'd be really surprised if she declared for 2016.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:35 PM   #128
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Elizabeth Warren is not only new to Washington, but relatively young. I'd be really surprised if she declared for 2016.
She's 64 - two years younger than Clinton. It's now or never for both of them.
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:39 PM   #129
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She's 64? Okay, I called that wrong.

She's still new.
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:10 PM   #130
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I don't know how you couldn't know what Obama really was. I saw it four years before that when he gave his speech at the DNC. I sat there in the living room and watched and listened and said to myself, "This guy is trouble. He may even be the anti-Christ." Now obviously he has shown to be to polarizing a figure to be the anti-Christ (now I just think he is the devil incarnate) but, fours later when he was running for POTUS it became en vogue to call him that. I was four years ahead of the curve. I say that not to pump myself up but, rather, to ask how in the hell no one else could see it. He was clearly a liberal, and as it turns out much further to left than that.
It is en vogue to call Obama the antichrist? Yeah, among the drooling dumbasses of the far right.
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:37 PM   #131
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I don't know how you couldn't know what Obama really was. I saw it four years before that when he gave his speech at the DNC. I sat there in the living room and watched and listened and said to myself, "This guy is trouble. He may even be the anti-Christ." Now obviously he has shown to be to polarizing a figure to be the anti-Christ (now I just think he is the devil incarnate) but, fours later when he was running for POTUS it became en vogue to call him that. I was four years ahead of the curve. I say that not to pump myself up but, rather, to ask how in the hell no one else could see it. He was clearly a liberal, and as it turns out much further to left than that.


Yes, his speech at the DNC when was I told myself this guy is to be trouble.
He was to good he reminded me of a Bill Clinton only with a teleprompter.
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:53 PM   #132
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That doesn't mean anything.
You have never taken a poli sci class in your life.
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:11 PM   #133
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Hug him and gush about what a great job he's supposedly doing on the eve of an election where your party is trying to unseat him.
Thr gushing was bad but, in our visual centered society it was the visual of the embrace that was the over the board killer.
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:13 PM   #134
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It is en vogue to call Obama the antichrist? Yeah, among the drooling dumbasses of the far right.
You obviously were tuned out circa 2008. How this is news to you I do not know.
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:15 PM   #135
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Yes, his speech at the DNC when was I told myself this guy is to be trouble.
He was to good he reminded me of a Bill Clinton only with a teleprompter.
An articulate black man trying not to sound like like an extremist liberal (though it was there if you know what to listen for)? An obvious future political force.
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