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Old 11-08-2013, 06:45 PM  
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Should coaches be allowed to challenge penalties?

With all of the extra flags being thrown nowadays for roughing the passer and helmet to helmet hits, should the red challenge flag also be able to be used for penalties?

The refs have been instructed to err on the side of caution, and thats fine, but frequently it's resulted in some some pretty poor judgement calls that are made in real time. These calls could be corrected if the ref had the chance to review it in slow mo.

So, leaving the challenge rules as they are now, and just adding in penalties as a challengeable item, would it be a good idea?
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:35 PM   #31
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In the old days when a great play happened, the ref made the signal and you celebrated. Very spontaneous and fun.

Now when there is a an exciting play, you wait on pins and needles, watch a Geico commercial, wait for the referee to make the call and by that time the excitement is over.

Yeah, let's ditch replay. The calls come out even in the end.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:43 PM   #32
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Fair point. Twice last week I saw the refs go into the instant replay booth and come out with the incorrect call.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:43 PM   #33
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In the old days when a great play happened, the ref made the signal and you celebrated. Very spontaneous and fun.

Now when there is a an exciting play, you wait on pins and needles, watch a Geico commercial, wait for the referee to make the call and by that time the excitement is over.

Yeah, let's ditch replay. The calls come out even in the end.
Yep. Replay has brought a level of attention to the rules and every little possible scenario that may occur rather than just going with what makes sense on the field. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be every effort to call it right, but just that I'm OK with saying "well, it looked like a catch in real time" and saying that's good enough. I don't need to know if there was a blade of grass touching the ball before it was caught - if it was close, it's a toss-up and just go either way. It'll even out over time.

Man, can you imagine if they allowed you to challenge holding? We'd be debating whether someone was close enough to the play for it to matter, whether the grab was obstructing movement, whether it was inside the pads, etc. It would be a nightmare.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:56 PM   #34
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No, but they should consider making the penalty for Pass Interference less severe. I hate when a deep bomb is thrown, the catch isnt made and the team gets the ball at the spot of foul. Cheap yardage.
I hate it in college when a guy could have caught a 40-yard pass but for the defender grabbing him, and instead they get 15 yards.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:00 PM   #35
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I hate it in college when a guy could have caught a 40-yard pass but for the defender grabbing him, and instead they get 15 yards.
It proabably offsets all the times when an offensive player pushes off and the defender gets called for PI.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:15 PM   #36
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I will say this, and wondering if I'll hear a halleluiah.

It drives me crazy that coaches can call timeouts from the sidelines. I'm sorry, but if nobody on the field of play has awareness that the clock is running out, a coach should NOT be able to bail those guys out.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:17 PM   #37
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I will say this, and wondering if I'll hear a halleluiah.

It drives me crazy that coaches can call timeouts from the sidelines. I'm sorry, but if nobody on the field of play has awareness that the clock is running out, a coach should NOT be able to bail those guys out.
Agreed.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:29 PM   #38
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:55 PM   #39
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No, but they should consider making the penalty for Pass Interference less severe. I hate when a deep bomb is thrown, the catch isnt made and the team gets the ball at the spot of foul. Cheap yardage.
Yeah, that one irks me too. It's like the assumption is made that the receiver would've caught the ball without the interference, which isn't necessarily true. It's as dumb as the push-out rule that was thankfully eliminated a few years back.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:58 PM   #40
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Yeah, that one irks me too. It's like the assumption is made that the receiver would've caught the ball without the interference, which isn't necessarily true. It's as dumb as the push-out rule that was thankfully eliminated a few years back.
while I agree to a point, if they lessen the penalty I can see the corners getting more physical. Actually, that would be a good thing. Bring it on.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:59 PM   #41
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I'm all for eye in the sky officiating. hell, put a sensor in the ball that, when it breaks the plane of the endzone (which has a sensor line in it), the auto TD is called (like they have in hockey kinda). **** the human element--have one or two refs on the field to catch the obvious stuff and two in the booth that watch the all-22 in real time and get the intermediate and difficult things to catch.
There is no sensor in the puck in hockey. The refs actually make the call. Now, if there is a question as to if the goal was actually scored, they have refs in Toronto at the NHL headquarters who will review and simply call the refs on the ice.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:59 PM   #42
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I'd go for personal foul penalty calls to be review-able on a challenge.
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In the old days when a great play happened, the ref made the signal and you celebrated. Very spontaneous and fun.

Now when there is a an exciting play, you wait on pins and needles, watch a Geico commercial, wait for the referee to make the call and by that time the excitement is over.

Yeah, let's ditch replay. The calls come out even in the end.
To hell with that.

Its not like it happens with every "exciting play", it happens with very, very few of them. The refs are nowhere close to good enough to go without replay, I want egregious mistakes to be corrected.

To those who say "well, they don't get the call right on replay, so it doesn't matter", bullcrap. Almost every single time we have a replay, I agree with what they decide after review, the replay system is working fine, and its not really slowing the game down.
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:02 PM   #44
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As far as the OP is concerned, I would only agree with reviewing those few penalties that are absolutely black and white with either no or very little judgment needed. 12 men on the field, lined up in the neutral zone, OK review that if they got it wrong. Holding or interference, no way.
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No, but they should consider making the penalty for Pass Interference less severe. I hate when a deep bomb is thrown, the catch isnt made and the team gets the ball at the spot of foul. Cheap yardage.
Now this is a change I can get behind.
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