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Old 11-10-2013, 04:28 PM  
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Neenah, Wisconsin cops stop men open carry stop

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Old 11-10-2013, 05:17 PM   #46
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I'm fairly certain that open carry does not cover rifles and you need a permit for them, which is why the cops made a point of confirming his CCW license.
depends on the state.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:20 PM   #47
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That seemed like it was done very well and appropriate behavior by the cops. If you are going to act a certain way you should know how that is going to be received by others and the actions that might be brought upon you by yourself.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:32 PM   #48
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:35 PM   #49
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I'm sure these guys had a full slate of productive work they had to do, but they felt compelled to stand up for such a noble cause.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:40 PM   #50
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I'm sure these guys had a full slate of productive work they had to do, but they felt compelled to stand up for such a noble cause.
Is that what you think of all political protests/demonstrations or just the one's about guns.

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Cephalic Trauma: Don't you have a full slate of productive work to do?
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:47 PM   #51
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Is that what you think of all political protests/demonstrations or just the one's about guns.

Martin Luther King: I have a dream!

Cephalic Trauma: Don't you have a full slate of productive work to do?
Yeah, that Martin Luther King guy was a mindless asshole just looking to be confronted. It's a wonder how he lead such a profound political movement.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:50 PM   #52
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Yeah, that Martin Luther King guy was a mindless asshole just looking to be confronted. It's a wonder how he lead such a profound political movement.
You had to know that this Patard guy was going to make some analogy between something meaningful that happened and some mindless shit going on today. It's his style. Check DC for reference.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:54 PM   #53
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I have know problems with either side on this one.
IMO the officers get an A+
The two in question get a C- / their are better ways to make your point.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:55 PM   #54
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You had to know that this Patard guy was going to make some analogy between something meaningful that happened and some mindless shit going on today. It's his style. Check DC for reference.
For sure. It's hard not to play when he makes such ludicrous parallels.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:57 PM   #55
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I have know problems with either side on this one.
IMO the officers get an A+
The two in question get a C- / their are better ways to make your point.
I thought the cops did a fantastic job too.

I don't know what point the civilians were trying to make, but I don't have a problem with it as long as they're willing to assume the risk they put themselves in.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:03 PM   #56
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He's carrying a rifle because it's "within his rights." That's the only reason he's doing so. That isn't stupid as shit to some people? JFC.
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This isn't even about pro or anti-gun. This is about pro or anti stir shit up because it's my right. He had no practical reason to have that gun on his shoulder.
Personally I think the open carry movement is counterproductive but they do and should have the right to do it.

What it exposes is a discriminatory nature in our society. Why does the mere act of someone carrying a gun make you think they present a threat?

Do you feel threatened if you see a cop in uniform with a pistol on his hip?

Now take that exact same person and put him in regular clothes. Do you now consider him to be a threat where he wasn't before in uniform?

What happens if you change him from white to black, does that now make him a threat?

You see the real issue in play here actually isn't about the second amendment, etc. It's about people who chose to discriminate and judge people based on appearance.

How is this any different than the terrible practice police use to 'stop and frisk'? Police in those cases are using race to stop and question someone. In these cases they are using the presence of a firearm without any other actions.

That's what makes this bad for everyone. If someone chooses to express themselves by wearing a firearm why should they be discriminated against? That's the biggest issue, it's a violation of your 1st amendment rights, much less any others.

We should make stops based upon people's actions not based upon their appearance. If someone is doing something suspicious and carrying a firearm, or something threatening then by all means stop and investigate.

But no one should be stopped just because of their appearance, whether that appearance is racial or the presence of a firearm.
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:05 PM   #57
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I thought the cops did a fantastic job too.

I don't know what point the civilians were trying to make, but I don't have a problem with it as long as they're willing to assume the risk they put themselves in.
I sure as hell wouldnt want them walking into a Kwikshop like that.
No doubt in my mind, I am gonna duck for cover & pull my hand gun.
The days of the Omaha police rolling up, as I am walking home with a few Pheasants & a shotgun slung over my shoulder, just to ask me if I got my limit & what fields were the birds in. Those days are long over with.
Back then we took our shotguns,rifles.bows ect to school. Hell we got up before the sun & went out to the streams & woods ,to check traps before school.
Not that long ago either. 1983-88 for me
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Old 11-10-2013, 06:19 PM   #58
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Personally I think the open carry movement is counterproductive but they do and should have the right to do it.

What it exposes is a discriminatory nature in our society. Why does the mere act of someone carrying a gun make you think they present a threat?

Do you feel threatened if you see a cop in uniform with a pistol on his hip?

Now take that exact same person and put him in regular clothes. Do you now consider him to be a threat where he wasn't before in uniform?

What happens if you change him from white to black, does that now make him a threat?

You see the real issue in play here actually isn't about the second amendment, etc. It's about people who chose to discriminate and judge people based on appearance.

How is this any different than the terrible practice police use to 'stop and frisk'? Police in those cases are using race to stop and question someone. In these cases they are using the presence of a firearm without any other actions.

That's what makes this bad for everyone. If someone chooses to express themselves by wearing a firearm why should they be discriminated against? That's the biggest issue, it's a violation of your 1st amendment rights, much less any others.

We should make stops based upon people's actions not based upon their appearance. If someone is doing something suspicious and carrying a firearm, or something threatening then by all means stop and investigate.

But no one should be stopped just because of their appearance, whether that appearance is racial or the presence of a firearm.
In this case, we would be reactive instead of proactive if we waited until this individual acted in a suspicious manner. At that point, you may have an accidental or intentional death on your hands because this guy wanted to carry a rifle without being disturbed. It is absolutely intuitive to feel threatened when someone has the capability to easily end your life at his or her discretion.

And, questioning one's sanity when they feel the need to carry a rifle for protection when no imminent danger is present seems to be reasonable to me.
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In this case, we would be reactive instead of proactive if we waited until this individual acted in a suspicious manner. At that point, you may have an accidental or intentional death on your hands because this guy wanted to carry a rifle without being disturbed. It is absolutely intuitive to feel threatened when someone has the capability to easily end your life at his or her discretion.
Do you walk around in constant fear in concealed carry jurisdictions?
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