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Old 11-10-2013, 09:54 PM  
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Karl Marx Is the World’s Most Influential Scholar




How do you judge an academic? Can you compare scholars from different fields on equal footing? Whose work had the bigger impact down field, Albert Einstein or Ada Lovelace?

These seem like impossible questions to answer, but as reported by Nature, a team of information scientists out of Indiana University, Bloomington, think they’ve found a way. And, according to them, the most influential scholar is… Karl Marx.

Here’s how they got there:

Scientists are already regularly judged—by grant agencies, by tenure committees, by others—on their citation rate. But, some scientific disciplines are way bigger than others, which means it’s not really fair to compare theoretical physicists to, say, drug researchers, on citation count alone.

The Indiana University researchers, say Nature, tried to take this into account. First they looked to see if a scientist had not just one big study, but lots of work that was all cited regularly (rolled up in a measure called the h-index). Then, they compared the scientist’s score against others in their own respective field. This let them calculate how much of a stand-out they were.

Karl Marx’s score was “more than 22 times the average h-index of other scholars in history (but 11 times that of the average economist).”

Compared to 35,000 other high-profile scholars, Marx’s score stood out the most. Second in line was psychologist Sigmund Freud. Third was the (still alive and working) physicist Edward Witten.

Does this mean that Das Kapital is more important than string theory? Not necessarily, in the grand scheme of human existence. But on college campuses? Marx might be winning.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ntial-scholar/
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Old 11-11-2013, 07:07 PM   #16
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Well I'm just saying: there's no doubt that Marx is an extremely influential presence in academic thought.

But there's just no equal in our era for John Rawls. I won't go as far to say he's the father of modern political science, because I don't know the history of it enough to say. But there's no doubt his ideas are ever-present in nearly any issue we discuss on this forum.
They are basing this on citations. Here's an abstract of the original paper:

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Given the growing use of impact metrics in the evaluation of scholars, journals, academic institutions, and even countries, there is a critical need for means to compare scientific impact across disciplinary boundaries. Unfortunately, citation-based metrics are strongly biased by diverse field sizes and publication and citation practices. As a result, we have witnessed an explosion in the number of newly proposed metrics that claim to be “universal.” However, there is currently no way to objectively assess whether a normalized metric can actually compensate for disciplinary bias. We introduce a new method to assess the universality of any scholarly impact metric, and apply it to evaluate a number of established metrics. We also define a very simple new metric hs, which proves to be universal, thus allowing to compare the impact of scholars across scientific disciplines. These results move us closer to a formal methodology in the measure of scholarly impact.


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Old 11-11-2013, 07:26 PM   #17
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John Rawls? "Theory of Justice?" This guy is just as bad as Karl Marx. Just another smarmy utopian redistributionist egalitarian, effectively arguing what Marx advocated.
"acknowledge as the first principle of justice one requiring an equal distribution (of all resources)," ... "this principle is so obvious that we would expect it to occur to anyone immediately."
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:44 PM   #18
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Well I'm just saying: there's no doubt that Marx is an extremely influential presence in academic thought.

But there's just no equal in our era for John Rawls. I won't go as far to say he's the father of modern political science, because I don't know the history of it enough to say. But there's no doubt his ideas are ever-present in nearly any issue we discuss on this forum.
Marx's philosophy extended past philosophy into political science, literary theory, historiography, cultural studies, and sociology, just to name a few.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:59 AM   #19
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Masonic pose in the pic . Illuminati and clearly a pedophile.
Sounds like the perfect hero for most of this world, Idolaters have to have Heroes(read in demons) too!
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Masonic pose in the pic . Illuminati and clearly a pedophile.
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Best part about Chris is that he's encouraging the other fringers to really let their freak flags fly. This forum hasn't been this interesting in ages, and it's not even that contentious. It's more like watching a really good documentary about a strange subculture.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:13 AM   #22
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:22 PM   #23
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I can't even think about who else could be first. Marx is the obvious choice.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:18 PM   #24
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lol..applying a number to subjective criteria doesn't suddenly make it objective.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:48 PM   #25
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I can't even think about who else could be first. Marx is the obvious choice.
Perhaps Jesus is the same area of social philosophy.

Of course we've seen Marx's ideas in practice. Communism is a failure on any kind of large scale. His ideas influence people that would go on to murder millions and millions of people including Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. He was a terrorist and advocated violence.

His ideas fully neglect human behavior and its relationship to power. He has no idea about choas and entropy and generally his ideas are in the dark ages. He offers little practical solutions like any extremist.

I scoff at the idea that this man's ideas caused so much positive influence in world.
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Perhaps Jesus is the same area of social philosophy.

Of course we've seen Marx's ideas in practice. Communism is a failure on any kind of large scale. His ideas influence people that would go on to murder millions and millions of people including Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. He was a terrorist and advocated violence.

His ideas fully neglect human behavior and its relationship to power. He has no idea about choas and entropy and generally his ideas are in the dark ages. He offers little practical solutions like any extremist.

I scoff at the idea that this man's ideas caused so much positive influence in world.
Communism influenced Hitler?
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:49 AM   #27
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Perhaps Jesus is the same area of social philosophy.

Of course we've seen Marx's ideas in practice. Communism is a failure on any kind of large scale. His ideas influence people that would go on to murder millions and millions of people including Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. He was a terrorist and advocated violence.

His ideas fully neglect human behavior and its relationship to power. He has no idea about choas and entropy and generally his ideas are in the dark ages. He offers little practical solutions like any extremist.

I scoff at the idea that this man's ideas caused so much positive influence in world.
The study, for whatever it is worth, doesn't claim positive influence--just "most influential."
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The study, for whatever it is worth, doesn't claim positive influence--just "most influential."
I am aware. However, if not postive influence, then what are we talking about?
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I am aware. However, if not postive influence, then what are we talking about?
How often his work is cited in the work of others.
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How often his work is cited in the work of others.
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