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Old 11-10-2013, 09:54 PM  
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Karl Marx Is the World’s Most Influential Scholar




How do you judge an academic? Can you compare scholars from different fields on equal footing? Whose work had the bigger impact down field, Albert Einstein or Ada Lovelace?

These seem like impossible questions to answer, but as reported by Nature, a team of information scientists out of Indiana University, Bloomington, think they’ve found a way. And, according to them, the most influential scholar is… Karl Marx.

Here’s how they got there:

Scientists are already regularly judged—by grant agencies, by tenure committees, by others—on their citation rate. But, some scientific disciplines are way bigger than others, which means it’s not really fair to compare theoretical physicists to, say, drug researchers, on citation count alone.

The Indiana University researchers, say Nature, tried to take this into account. First they looked to see if a scientist had not just one big study, but lots of work that was all cited regularly (rolled up in a measure called the h-index). Then, they compared the scientist’s score against others in their own respective field. This let them calculate how much of a stand-out they were.

Karl Marx’s score was “more than 22 times the average h-index of other scholars in history (but 11 times that of the average economist).”

Compared to 35,000 other high-profile scholars, Marx’s score stood out the most. Second in line was psychologist Sigmund Freud. Third was the (still alive and working) physicist Edward Witten.

Does this mean that Das Kapital is more important than string theory? Not necessarily, in the grand scheme of human existence. But on college campuses? Marx might be winning.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ntial-scholar/
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:28 PM   #46
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That last post of mine, shows that Marx was indeed influential. Envy is a powerful emotion to stir up in people. That's why, imo.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:05 AM   #47
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Derp Derp Strawman again. I didn't say it was the same. I said it was the sister because fascism took from parts of socialism.

Derp Derp Go back three paces and re-read "Let Them Eat Cake" to see what even Hitler said himself.
Communism=socialism now?

Keep digging that "I'm and idiot hole"
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:05 AM   #48
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Yeah, like nationalizing major portions of industry.
Ah, and you start showing your ignorance of history.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:18 AM   #49
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Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...m-1186455.html

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone's disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan "Crusade against Marxism" as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.
That's the best you can do? A book that never defines socialism, so the author can apply to everything?

A book that gets no press and has quotes from Hitler's time in prison?

And that means more than the fact his economy was free market supply and demand.

Means more than he never outlawed private property or private profit.

Means more than he never collectivized industry.




Try reading an actual History book, not searching for the Hacks that parrot what you want History to be.

Oh, and Hitler never shied away from naming who influenced him. That passage claiming he wouldn't is false. If you actually study history and not just read trash that says what you want it too, you would know the name of one of the biggest influences on Hitler: Karl Lueger

Stop failing so hard, I am getting embarrassed for you.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:55 AM   #50
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:12 AM   #51
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Ah, and you start showing your ignorance of history.
Projecting your own faults on others again, I see.

You've been educated by Marxists who like to make their side seem better than the fascists of Germany and Italy circa 1930's. Hate to bust your bubble but they're not. National socialism vs international socialism.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:47 AM   #52
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Projecting your own faults on others again, I see.

You've been educated by Marxists who like to make their side seem better than the fascists of Germany and Italy circa 1930's. Hate to bust your bubble but they're not. National socialism vs international socialism.
Another great non answer by BEP.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:01 AM   #53
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Actually, Hitler was only given power after an alliance with the big right wing business leaders.

Not socialist ideas. Which he didn't have, because he didn't care two spits about the economy.

He let cooperate backers run a free market, supply and demand economy.
They allied with the National Socialists because they had no choice at all.

None of that changes the fact the Hitler was influenced by Marxist ideas. Even the fact that Hitler mentions the German, Karl Marx, in his speeches indicates that he was influenced by Marx.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:15 PM   #54
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That's the best you can do? A book that never defines socialism, so the author can apply to everything?

A book that gets no press and has quotes from Hitler's time in prison?

And that means more than the fact his economy was free market supply and demand.

Means more than he never outlawed private property or private profit.

Means more than he never collectivized industry.




Try reading an actual History book, not searching for the Hacks that parrot what you want History to be.

Oh, and Hitler never shied away from naming who influenced him. That passage claiming he wouldn't is false. If you actually study history and not just read trash that says what you want it too, you would know the name of one of the biggest influences on Hitler: Karl Lueger

Stop failing so hard, I am getting embarrassed for you.
It's real simple, this "real" history book that you have read was written by a Marxist. There, now do you understand?
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This thread has violated Godwin's law. Please shut it down, mods.
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This thread has violated Godwin's law. Please shut it down, mods.
Ah, yes, Godwin's Law - the impenetrable shield which defends modern liberals from the truth about their Fuhrer...
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They allied with the National Socialists because they had no choice at all.

None of that changes the fact the Hitler was influenced by Marxist ideas. Even the fact that Hitler mentions the German, Karl Marx, in his speeches indicates that he was influenced by Marx.
Influenced by what? Which ideas? He had a lot of them...
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