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Old 11-11-2013, 09:15 PM  
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:25 AM   #136
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Words are given substance through meaning.

Buzzwords are subjective.

Being dismissive doesn't make you smart and that's all you really do on this topic...you dismiss facts in favor of dogma.
Your words are hollow, both are religions.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #137
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OK, so you can drop that accusation then.



Assumptions. You know what they say about them.



I do not now, nor have I ever, sought your approval.
Of course you don't want approval. You're trolling. You're trying to be annoying. You want attention, not approval.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:27 AM   #138
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Your words are hollow, both are religions.
You're so cute.

Devoid of substance as always.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:32 AM   #139
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Of course you don't want approval. You're trolling. You're trying to be annoying. You want attention, not approval.
“Trying to be annoying” with accuracy? You’re going to have to learn to live with that.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:42 AM   #140
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It has not been proven as “fact” hence the term “theory”.
This is where I draw that statement from. This statement seems to suggest denial of evolution and of what evolution is. Saying it isn't a fact indicates an attempt to use the word "theory" against it, but in reality that has not substance to it. If you aren't attempting to use the word "theory" as a rebuttal then this statement really doesn't make sense if coming from someone who does accept the theory because saying it is a theory is like saying the sky is blue. It doesn't mean anything.

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I’ll be damned, someone actually asked.
I accept that evolution is a theory and that from what we currently know it is the most likely conclusion.
So pretty much just like anyone who accepts evolution. I guess this leaves me confused about what you have been arguing then. Oh well.

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You’re not leaving open the possibility someone will invent a time machine so they can go back and record each evolutionary step.
I am sure you are being facetious but even then I don't think the mechanisms could be directly observed over the time periods required. Though it would be a good start.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:08 AM   #141
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I'm not the one that started this line of conversation, you can look to cosmo for that.
Quote where I’ve posted that I deny evolution.

Edit to address bolded part: no I’m not wrong. If you do not understand the difference between theory and fact maybe you should educate yourself before posting further on the issue.
Here's where you're hung up. We're talking about different terms. You are talking about "theory" and I am talking about "scientific theory." Two different things.

I'm familiar with you and your posts, and I don't think you're dumb. But on this, you are playing dumb for some reason.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:01 PM   #142
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Here's where you're hung up. We're talking about different terms. You are talking about "theory" and I am talking about "scientific theory." Two different things.

I'm familiar with you and your posts, and I don't think you're dumb. But on this, you are playing dumb for some reason.
Seeing as how over the past couple of pages I’m the only one fully acknowledging and agree with, minus the emotional attachment, what the theory of evolution is I’d say I’m one of the few around here with my head screwed on straight.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:06 PM   #143
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Seeing as how over the past couple of pages I’m the only one fully acknowledging and agree with, minus the emotional attachment, what the theory of evolution is I’d say I’m one of the few around here with my head screwed on straight.
But you're not. For some reason, you insist on framing it as a "theory", along with the uncertainty that term carries, and not as a "scientific theory" which indicates an idea that has been thoroughly scientifically tested and confirmed.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:10 PM   #144
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This is where I draw that statement from. This statement seems to suggest denial of evolution and of what evolution is. Saying it isn't a fact indicates an attempt to use the word "theory" against it, but in reality that has not substance to it. If you aren't attempting to use the word "theory" as a rebuttal then this statement really doesn't make sense if coming from someone who does accept the theory because saying it is a theory is like saying the sky is blue. It doesn't mean anything.
So pretty much just like anyone who accepts evolution. I guess this leaves me confused about what you have been arguing then. Oh well.
It is an accurate description that has been used for, oh, just a few years now. Why run from it?
Notice how quickly everyone ran to their prejudices when I brought that up?

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I am sure you are being facetious but even then I don't think the mechanisms could be directly observed over the time periods required. Though it would be a good start.

Time is relative to someone with a time machine.
I do think we’re inching closer to closing the gaps in the evolutionary chain. New discoveries all the time.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:11 PM   #145
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But you're not. For some reason, you insist on framing it as a "theory", along with the uncertainty that term carries, and not as a "scientific theory" which indicates an idea that has been thoroughly scientifically tested and confirmed.
Oh, where is the report that conclusively proves evolution? I’ve certainly missed that one.

Edit: As discussed earlier in this same topic it cannot be conclusively proven, sans Skynet becoming self-aware and building a time machine. It is now and forever will remain a theory.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:22 PM   #146
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Oh, where is the report that conclusively proves evolution? I’ve certainly missed that one.
That requires a leap of faith brother.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:23 PM   #147
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Oh, where is the report that conclusively proves evolution? I’ve certainly missed that one.
Someone over the years has probably written an article, maybe even two, for some science journal. You might be able to find something on the internet.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:27 PM   #148
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Someone over the years has probably written an article, maybe even two, for some science journal. You might be able to find something on the internet.
A link should be easy to provide then.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:29 PM   #149
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Oh, where is the report that conclusively proves evolution? I’ve certainly missed that one.

Edit: As discussed earlier in this same topic it cannot be conclusively proven, sans Skynet becoming self-aware and building a time machine. It is now and forever will remain a theory.
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A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.

When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts. Scientists can have various interpretations of the outcomes of experiments and observations, but the facts, which are the cornerstone of the scientific method, do not change.

A theory must include statements that have observational consequences. A good theory, like Newton’s theory of gravity, has unity, which means it consists of a limited number of problem-solving strategies that can be applied to a wide range of scientific circumstances. Another feature of a good theory is that it formed from a number of hypotheses that can be tested independently.

A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.

Theories are foundations for furthering scientific knowledge and for putting the information gathered to practical use. Scientists use theories to develop inventions or find a cure for a disease.

A few theories do become laws, but theories and laws have separate and distinct roles in the scientific method. A theory is an explanation of an observed phenomenon, while a law is a description of an observed phenomenon.
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Oh, where is the report that conclusively proves evolution? I’ve certainly missed that one.

Edit: As discussed earlier in this same topic it cannot be conclusively proven, sans Skynet becoming self-aware and building a time machine. It is now and forever will remain a theory.
I'd put forth the report of the Lenski E. Coli evolution experiment that proves a direct evolutionary change in E. Coli over a 20+ year span.

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In June 2008 the popular science magazine New Scientist printed a story about Professor Richard Lenski's twenty-year project examining the evolution of E. coli. They reported that, as a result of several beneficial mutations, his organisms had acquired the ability to metabolize citrate - or more correctly an ability to transport it through the cell wall prior to metabolizing it. This was an entirely new ability for this species - an increase in complexity provided by a beneficial mutation. This beneficial trait was then fixed in the population by natural selection.

It is also important to notice that before acquiring this ability the bacteria acquired a previous potentiating mutation which, although it was not clearly beneficial at the time, subsequently allowed the descendants of that potentiated group the ability to process citrate after a further mutation. Furthermore frozen ancestors of that group, and only the frozen ancestors of that group, retained the ability to re-evolve that favorable trait.
His group did not use genetic engineering to modify the organism (to design it), it was produced entirely by the evolutionary process.

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We've been experimentally proving evolution for as long as reliable repeatable experimentation has been possible. Science can absolutely prove a great deal of it. Not all, as that could never be possible. But evolution is an accepted scientific theory. It can't get any more factual than that.

Regarding scientific ideas, you can classify them as Hypothesis, Theory, and Law. Don't forget the important qualifier that a scientific theory is labeled as such only when there is no evidence to dispute it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying evolution is a theory. But in doing so, you're accepting the fact that there is no evidence ever recorded that disputes it. You can call it a scientific theory all day long. That description means we know enough about the subject to consider it fact.

Also of note, theories cannot progress any further in regards to factuality. Scientific theories are as high as it goes regarding our knowledge of a subject. We can always learn more details than we presently know about it. But there can be no doubt to the validity of it. Scientific theories don't progress to become scientific laws. Lots of people think that and consider scientific theories as flawed or lesser because they're not laws, but they are completely separate things. Scientific laws are simply factual observations. They say nothing about why the thing happens, only that it does and we can prove that it does. Scientific theories explain why things happen. So being a scientific theory represents all the factual knowledge we have of the subject. It represents the accumulation of the most factual available evidence. It should be considered the highest achievement for an idea to become a scientific theory.
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