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Old 11-12-2013, 03:18 AM  
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Obamacare Microchip...

So I don't know if this is going around... It must be.

I was at a going away party for a nice young gal I know who is leaving for the military to become a nurse. Her parents are mortified, but that's beside the point. It's a pretty salt of the earth crowd of people. They don't follow too much news. They generally keep themselves busy with hunting season, martial arts, and keeping the kids active.

So I got to talking to one of the guys there, and he was talking about how he needed to get individual coverage because his employer, a excavation outfit that's been struggling for the last few years, has decided to drop health coverage. Not an ill word spoken about Obamacare at this point. The coverage dropping had little to do with Obamacare, so far as I could tell, and more to do with how much this outfit has been under fire with the economy.

So I say to him, well, I guess Obamacare is something you should be looking into. I've heard that someone in your situation might be able to find a reasonable plan. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't take advantage of it.

He looked at me like I was from Mars and said, "are you kidding me? I don't want any part of that. I heard they're putting RFID chips in people who sign up for that. I'm not cattle."

Of course, I was a little bit taken aback. I shook my head, did a double take and stood dumbfounded for a minute and said, "What?" I wasn't sure if he was serious. He was.

"Yeah, I saw a thing where they're putting RFID chips in people who get Obamacare. I don't want any part of that."

I told him that I thought it was just scare tactics. He walked himself back on it and said he didn't remember where he saw it, but now that he thinks about it, it probably was.

I told him, seriously. You should maybe think about looking into the Obamacare exchange and see what he could get. He stood firm. Thanks, but no thanks, he said. He'll work something out without getting involved in the "government junk," he said, saying that if the government is involved, it's going to be more expensive, and he'll end up with a bunch of stuff he doesn't want or need. Pretty hard to argue with that logic.

At this point, I realized that I'm being a pitch man for Obamacare to someone who has the right idea about what it is, and doesn't want it. I definitely didn't want to get any further in this discussion, and we started talking about football.

I left scratching my head about that Obamacare microchip thing. That hairy lie is embedded somewhere deep if this guy is hearing it. All I could do after having that conversation was think about what a bunch of morons the democrat party is for thinking they could force this stuff on a culture that they have no understanding of, and don't really care to ever understand. Tha audacity to pass this without a single Republican vote... really, really stupid.

They should stick to helping people in the cities, where apparently the people want the help, and leave the people in the sticks to do what they've always done... which is get 'er done.

Of course, this would require them to abandon their vision of a homogenized society, one nation under sprawl, with mediocrity, and unoriginality for all.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:17 AM   #16
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So does your friend even know how RFID works?

Even a ridiculously small active RFID tag, which would be prohibitvely expensive to install in all people with obamacare, would not have the range to be effective in any real manner. It's not like they could track you worldwide or anything. You could be tracked inside or around a location with a reciever, but that's it.

A passive tag would be much more size and cost effective, but the range is prohibitively small.

So, in summation, your friend is either an idiot or full of crap.
I RFID’d my dog, it takes a freak’n horse needle to inject it under the skin.
IV’s use smaller needles.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:34 AM   #17
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There are some amazing applications for it that would have substantial benefit to a new electronic health record system like we have today. The people who actually think about this are not the loony left or RWNJ's. You have to know its a consideration after all the testing and success with uses in animals.

To deny that there is an effort to move toward rfid in people is foolish.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:58 AM   #18
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Disney is using RFID at Walt Disney World... It comes in a card, but they can pretty well track every movement you make through the park with long and short range sensors.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:00 AM   #19
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I RFID’d my dog, it takes a freak’n horse needle to inject it under the skin.
IV’s use smaller needles.
what is the range on that?
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Disney is using RFID at Walt Disney World... It comes in a card, but they can pretty well track every movement you make through the park with long and short range sensors.
right, a credit card size is about right for an active RFID tag

with receivers set up around the park, that will definitely work

but there is no way they would set up an infrastructure that dense to cover the whole country

and will you get a credit card under your skin that requires a battery change on a regular basis?
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There are some amazing applications for it that would have substantial benefit to a new electronic health record system like we have today. The people who actually think about this are not the loony left or RWNJ's. You have to know its a consideration after all the testing and success with uses in animals.

To deny that there is an effort to move toward rfid in people is foolish.
No, there is no effort to move forward with RFID tags in people. There's nothing that exists to even anything to move forward with. Don't be a dumbass. There are countless ethical issues with the idea that will prevent it from ever happening. And that's ignoring the technological costs and requirements it would take. There may be potential future benefits that are health care related that might be possible within a few decades. But the idea of the government requiring or even recommending RFID for use with ACA is simply retarded. There may be some voluntary applications of human RFID tagging outside the scope of ACA that are available way down the line. But the fact remains, the people who currently fear this kind of thing are still absolute loons.
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No, there is no effort to move forward with RFID tags in people. There's nothing that exists to even anything to move forward with. Don't be a dumbass. There are countless ethical issues with the idea that will prevent it from ever happening. And that's ignoring the technological costs and requirements it would take. There may be potential future benefits that are health care related that might be possible within a few decades. But the idea of the government requiring or even recommending RFID for use with ACA is simply retarded. There may be some voluntary applications of human RFID tagging outside the scope of ACA that are available way down the line. But the fact remains, the people who currently fear this kind of thing are still absolute loons.
Electronic medical records have nothing to do with ACA. That turd is as good as done. And you are a fool if you think cost is any issue at all. Its a short move from RFID in credit cards to Health Insurance cards. And from there its a very easy move to the chips used in dogs and cats today. The Tech Cost is minimal as they know from the veterinary uses.

What ethical issues are you afraid of?
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what is the range on that?
Inches. It requires a wand passed over the ID chip.
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Inches. It requires a wand passed over the ID chip.
ah, so it's a passive tag that has minimal range

yes, it's imbedded, but it's really just a simpler, more permanent version of record keeping and identification

the OPs story made it sound like they wanted to use RFID devices to track you everywhere all the time
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They do , kinda elementary ...
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they might WANT to

but they can't realistically do that now with RFID
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Electronic medical records have nothing to do with ACA. That turd is as good as done. And you are a fool if you think cost is any issue at all. Its a short move from RFID in credit cards to Health Insurance cards. And from there its a very easy move to the chips used in dogs and cats today. The Tech Cost is minimal as they know from the veterinary uses.

What ethical issues are you afraid of?
Sorry, but you don't understand the technology. It's not a "Short move" to implement RFID in any of the capacities you mentioned. The current veterinarian uses are completely different and would not apply to the usage that crazy Taco is talking about.

Cost is absolutely the #1 issue in health care. Saying otherwise is just mind bottling stupid. Our nation is imploding because of current health care costs, and you think it's no big deal to introduce a completely new wireless RFID infrastructure? ...

And there has been plenty of talk about the ethical problems with RFID. Health care organizations like AMA have already commented on the dangers and have recommended protections for patients against future RFID implants. Here's a little info:

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The American Medical Association (AMA) has officially established a code of ethics designed to protect patients receiving RFID implants. The recommendations focus on safeguarding a patient's privacy and health, and are the result of an evaluation by the AMA's Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs (CEJA) regarding the medical and ethical implications of RFID chips in humans, as well as a follow-up report recently released. The latter discusses the possible advantages and specific privacy and ethical issues of using RFID-enabled implantations for clinical purposes.

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Central to the AMA's recommendations is that RFID implantable devices still need to be researched. The report indicates such implants may present physical risks to patients, because the devices can migrate under the skin and become difficult to extract. It goes on to say the risks may be minimized "by constructing RFID tags from materials that permit surrounding tissue to encase the device." Furthermore, the document cautions that RFID tags may electromagnetically interfere with electrosurgical devices (medical tools that use electrical currents for cauterization during surgery) and defibrillators, and that more research needs to be done regarding whether RFID tags might also affect the efficacy of pharmaceuticals.

From a privacy perspective, the AMA notes, RFID device security has not been fully established, so physicians "cannot assure patients that the personal information contained on RFID tags will be appropriately protected." Beyond just storing unique ID numbers on the tags, the association suggests the medical community also consider computer encryption and digital signatures to protect the data.

Moreover, the report recommends that RFID tags not be implanted or removed without the prior consent of patients, as per the AMA's policies regarding informed consent. More specifically, patients—or those acting as the legal guardians of patients—should be informed of the potential risks and benefits associated with RFID tags, as well as who will be granted access to the data contained on those tags, and the purposes for which this information will be used.

See more at: http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/....Lt1Zqddw.dpuf
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Sorry, but you don't understand the technology. It's not a "Short move" to implement RFID in any of the capacities you mentioned. The current veterinarian uses are completely different and would not apply to the usage that crazy Taco is talking about.

Cost is absolutely the #1 issue in health care. Saying otherwise is just mind bottling stupid. Our nation is imploding because of current health care costs, and you think it's no big deal to introduce a completely new wireless RFID infrastructure? ...

And there has been plenty of talk about the ethical problems with RFID. Health care organizations like AMA have already commented on the dangers and have recommended protections for patients against future RFID implants. Here's a little info:
but OH MAH GAWDZ ITS GPS IN US SO THEY CAN TRACK US AND WATCH US DOING...doing what? Posting on ChiefsPlanet?
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