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Old 11-12-2013, 03:53 PM  
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You should be able to keep yout health care plan.

Clinton is right. Obama needs to man up and work with the Republicans in the house and senate.

Produce a bill that exempts current health care plans from following Obamacare guidelines.

Thats what was sold to the public...........you like your health care plan, you can keep it.

It's the right thing to do.


Now, employer provided insurance should never have happened, but it did. Employee provided insurance's days are numbered. It's going to die soon. Thats a totally separate issue from Obamacare.

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Old 11-12-2013, 07:36 PM   #46
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Next thing you know, the party who infamously said "we have to pass it before we know what's in it", will be blaming the Repubs who never voted for it and the media.


Oh wait........
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:37 PM   #47
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How about dem proposal that we need to add a subsidy for anyone who had premiums go up……How embarrassing these ****ers are.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:37 PM   #48
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Says the guy who has Dick Cheny as a hero? That is really embrassing.
Let's hear your plan.
My plan is to repeal Obamacare and start over (preferably with Republicans in the lead), focusing primarily on cost inflation and secondarily on universal coverage.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:38 PM   #49
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My plan is to repeal Obamacare and start over (preferably with Republicans in the lead), focusing primarily on cost inflation and secondarily on universal coverage.
okay, tell me how you achieve those goals.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:38 PM   #50
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So you favor single payer, because what you speak of is the end of health insurance.
You're going to have to walk me through that logic. What I speak of is simply getting the employer out from between the health care consumer and the health care insurer.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:39 PM   #51
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:39 PM   #52
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BRC, this game you are playing is old hat. The Dems could have had Repub agreement 3 years ago on things like pre-existing condition, cap on out of pocket and no cancellation had they actually worked for a good bill.

Instead the Dems had to have their way, didn't get 1 Repub vote, crafted a huge bill, didn't read it, passed it on party lines.

And all you can say now is "what is your plan"???

Yeah, please help me fix my cluster**** and if you don't want to, you need to tell me your plan.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:41 PM   #53
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The people voted for the guy who was going to implement consciously lying to them about Obamacare.
This is what you should have said.
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:45 PM   #55
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You're going to have to walk me through that logic. What I speak of is simply getting the employer out from between the health care consumer and the health care insurer.
If we're all one big group...of individuals...why would we continue to filter our money through some corporation personfied in this case as an insurance company? Why not cut them from equation?
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Old 11-12-2013, 07:45 PM   #56
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Bullshit! Take your revision elsewhere.
It's no more revisionist than your assertion, except that there is some evidence to actually back up what I'm saying.
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okay, tell me how you achieve those goals.
I'll give you the first two steps. It's not up to me to provide you with a fully realized plan and you wouldn't be able to evaluate it anyway. Lord knows you'll buy just about anything if it comes from the lips of a democrat.

Step 1: Repeal Obamacare

Step 2: Make sure liars and charlatans like Obama have nothing to do with the next attempt to address this issue.
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It's no more revisionist than your assertion, except that there is some evidence to back up what I'm saying.
By evidence do you mean flat out lies and voting for an unread bill on party lines?????
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If we're all one big group...of individuals...why would we continue to filter our money through some corporation personfied in this case as an insurance company? Why not cut them from equation?
Because they can continue to compete with each other on product composition and price and because we can have recourse through government oversight and the courts if they rip us off.
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My plan is to repeal Obamacare and start over (preferably with Republicans in the lead), focusing primarily on cost inflation and secondarily on universal coverage.
I'm curious what about these plans would not be considered by the right to be "a govt takeover of healthcare" and the imposition of a socialist dictatorship.
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