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Old 11-12-2013, 03:53 PM  
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You should be able to keep yout health care plan.

Clinton is right. Obama needs to man up and work with the Republicans in the house and senate.

Produce a bill that exempts current health care plans from following Obamacare guidelines.

Thats what was sold to the public...........you like your health care plan, you can keep it.

It's the right thing to do.


Now, employer provided insurance should never have happened, but it did. Employee provided insurance's days are numbered. It's going to die soon. Thats a totally separate issue from Obamacare.

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Old 11-12-2013, 08:12 PM   #76
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, you can't crush the middle class fast enough, can you???
Yeah pete thats right my whole time on this board has been to advocate for big business, big oil and wall street. **** the middle class and the little guy. Damn you got me.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:20 PM   #77
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Step 1: Repeal Obamacare

Step 2: Make sure liars and charlatans like Obama have nothing to do with the next attempt to address this issue.


Every time Obama opens his mouth he lies.

All hail king of the liars!
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:35 PM   #78
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It is exactly as big of a disaster as the Republicans predicted.

The Democrats only hoped to wreck the current system anyway, as a wedge to shove single payer down everyone's throats.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:35 PM   #79
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Now, employer provided insurance should never have happened, but it did. Employee provided insurance's days are numbered. It's going to die soon. Thats a totally separate issue from Obamacare.
You have to explain that one to me because at face value it sounds like the dumbest thing you have ever posted.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:37 PM   #80
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It is exactly as big of a disaster as the Republicans predicted.

The Democrats only hoped to wreck the current system anyway, as a wedge to shove single payer down everyone's throats.
QFT.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:37 PM   #81
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Step 2: Make sure liars and charlatans like Obama have nothing to do with the next attempt to address this issue.
Remember when Obama took office - the moment when the oceans stopped rising, and the planet began to heal, and all of that -

Remember how he said he was going to fix the economy, and if you were in the group of people who, in his view, created the current mess, he didn't want you to do a lot of talking in the discussion as to how we clean it up?

I feel the same way about Obombacare. I don't think the people who made this mess should be doing a lot of talking.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:39 PM   #82
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If they aren't going to discuss it in a reasonable way, that is the proper response.
You're a flat out stooge. And I mean that in no disrespect for Harry, Curly or Moe, rest in peace.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:07 PM   #83
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:25 PM   #84
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Yeah pete thats right my whole time on this board has been to advocate for big business, big oil and wall street. **** the middle class and the little guy. Damn you got me.
Anyone in favor of Obamacare is in favor of giving another burden to the middle class. Democrats don't seem to understand this concept. They have this magical idea that they can "tax the rich" to make the poor prosper, but what they don't get is that all costs get passed on to the middle class. It's economic gravity.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:20 AM   #85
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Remember when Obama took office - the moment when the oceans stopped rising, and the planet began to heal, and all of that -

Remember how he said he was going to fix the economy, and if you were in the group of people who, in his view, created the current mess, he didn't want you to do a lot of talking in the discussion as to how we clean it up?

I feel the same way about Obombacare. I don't think the people who made this mess should be doing a lot of talking.
Amen. And we don't need them "fixing" the economy anymore either.
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:48 AM   #86
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Seems Democrats have given up on the ill fated sell of, "Well so what? Your old plan wasn't good enough anyway! All Obamacare did was make you change to a better one!"

Now it's a disingenuous lament and feigned sympathy that people can't keep their old plans. Next comes, "Well let's just work with it now, since it's here, and what really matters is that we need it to stay."

My guess is, for BRC, this thread is 90% about him being able to parade around DC going, "I was outspoken in my views that people should be able to keep their own plans," and act like he's somehow not a shill.
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:59 AM   #87
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Not allowing people to keep their own plans was an integral part of Obamacare. You can't just reverse that without making Obamacare even more of a disaster than it already is. The democrats will try to anyway and they'll try to mask the negative results with even more deficit spending. Afterall, we're past the point where they had to lie about it being a net deficit reducer to get it passed.

Meanwhile, BRC is locked down in the left wing political/media bubble.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:39 AM   #88
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It's funny to recall all the, "You'll be able to keep your plan, RWNJ. You listen to too much Limbaugh," there was here during the Obamacare discussions.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:20 AM   #89
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This is not good enough.

They need to repeal it and figure something else out. They need to concentrate on the lowering costs because no way should healthcare cost 300-500% more here than it does in the next closest country for equal or better care.

If they only allow people to keep their existing plans does nothing but bandaid the problem for some, but when their needs change, it puts them in a extremily high priced plan.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:26 AM   #90
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It's funny to recall all the, "You'll be able to keep your plan, RWNJ. You listen to too much Limbaugh," there was here during the Obamacare discussions.
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