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Old 11-13-2013, 02:21 AM  
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Noonan Thoroughly Splinters Obama

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Old 11-13-2013, 07:22 AM   #2
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:26 AM   #3
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The new talking point it that ObamaCare was damaged and fell due to Republican “sabotage.” Republicans on Capitol Hill refused to vote for it, refused to like it and support it. They tried repeatedly to repeal it and defund it.

And all this is true. But it is not sabotage. This is opposition. The Republicans thought the ACA a bad piece of work, a bad bill that would make things worse, not better.

Still, Republicans should take the sabotage charge seriously, because it is not a claim aimed at the consideration of the American people but of history. Democrats are admitting with this charge that ObamaCare is a disaster. They no longer want to argue that it is not. They are arguing that it is a disaster brought about by Republicans. That will be what they argue for history and feed their journalistic historians.

As I remember it, the Democrats on Capitol Hill got the bill they wanted. They were heady, back in the majority, with a new and popular president, and they didn’t much care about GOP support. They wanted the credit: It was their bill. They wrote it in a way no Republican could support. And they got no Republican support. When Paul Ryan, who had emerged as the Republican point man, attempted to come forward with ideas, he was rebuffed.

The new president—and this was a key historic moment—decided not to act on the accumulated presidential wisdom of the ages, which is: Get the other party in on all big things. Give them a stake in it, use them for cover, show you have bipartisan juice, that you are truly national and not only the leader of one party, show you can wield your mighty power across the aisles. Get them bragging they passed it, with your leadership. Make them co-own it so that when certain parts don’t work, and certain parts won’t, they have deep motives to help you fix it.

Instead, a perfect storm of misjudgment, immaturity and lack of historical perspective, and a perfect storm of shortsighted selfishness (it’s all ours, it’s not even a little bit yours) brought forth a perfect storm of a health-care disaster.
That's really their main political problem right now. They told the Republicans to screw off, because they didn't need or want the Republican party's input after they bought a couple of people like Nelson. Now they own it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:07 AM   #4
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That's really their main political problem right now. They told the Republicans to screw off, because they didn't need or want the Republican party's input after they bought a couple of people like Nelson. Now they own it.

Own it and are doing everything they can to disown the ugly baby
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:33 AM   #5
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How many of us said that they would try to blame the Pubs?


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Old 11-13-2013, 09:40 AM   #6
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Poor cosmo trying defend Obama.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:07 AM   #7
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That's really their main political problem right now. They told the Republicans to screw off, because they didn't need or want the Republican party's input after they bought a couple of people like Nelson. Now they own it.
The problem is that the majority of people I talk to actually BELIEVE the sabotage story.

They're thoroughly convinced that the current state of affairs is the fault of the Republicans.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:39 AM   #8
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Poor cosmo trying defend Obama.
He's gotta be the biggest "useful idiot."
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:41 AM   #9
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The problem is that the majority of people I talk to actually BELIEVE the sabotage story.

They're thoroughly convinced that the current state of affairs is the fault of the Republicans.
Just Wow! I don't see a majority of this here, but I am not surprised. Useful idiot syndrome.

This about passing the bill to see what is in it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:46 AM   #10
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My theory on what really happened, at least by Obama:

If it's really true that this was not in the body of the law itself, but one of Obama's regulations, then if he puts up a stink in his own party whereby it needs an act of congress to fix it, then his communist colors will show. He lied and fooled everyone because he's really a communist who wants to destroy the private health insurance market for single payer by having everyone dumped off it. So he used his own executive power to affect this outcome. This is how communists operate--covertly.

In the meantime he's busy trying to consolidate the education of America's children by further nationalizing what they need to learn...'er I mean NOT learn. He's a red.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:48 AM   #11
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Just Wow! I don't see a majority of this here, but I am not surprised. Useful idiot syndrome.

This about passing the bill to see what is in it.
I believe I've mentioned before that I live in a UAW stronghold and 95% of the people I talk to on a daily basis are former UAW members.

I was talking to one the other day about people losing their coverage. He said "bah, it's lies. Nobody is losing their coverage."

I responded by asking "well then why is President Clinton out there talking about the need for a solution to millions of Americans losing their coverage?"

His answer "President Clinton is in bed with the Republicans and has been for a long time."
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:00 AM   #12
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I believe I've mentioned before that I live in a UAW stronghold and 95% of the people I talk to on a daily basis are former UAW members.

I was talking to one the other day about people losing their coverage. He said "bah, it's lies. Nobody is losing their coverage."

I responded by asking "well then why is President Clinton out there talking about the need for a solution to millions of Americans losing their coverage?"

His answer "President Clinton is in bed with the Republicans and has been for a long time."
To my recall, you're in Iowa, right? I know someone there who thinks like those guys. But her hubby worked for the govt, as she did and now her daughter but just in another state.

Oh and unions are effectively communistic.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:41 AM   #13
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I believe I've mentioned before that I live in a UAW stronghold and 95% of the people I talk to on a daily basis are former UAW members.

I was talking to one the other day about people losing their coverage. He said "bah, it's lies. Nobody is losing their coverage."

I responded by asking "well then why is President Clinton out there talking about the need for a solution to millions of Americans losing their coverage?"

His answer "President Clinton is in bed with the Republicans and has been for a long time."
Considering Clinton owes his popularity to GOP policies, he should be in bed with the Republicans.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:43 AM   #14
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Considering Clinton owes his popularity to GOP policies, he should be in bed with the Republicans.
On the other hand, one liar calling out another liar is hilarious!
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:03 PM   #15
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On the other hand, one liar calling out another liar is hilarious!
Hey, I'm still thankful for Bill changing oral to not actually being sex. It made for more interesting college years.
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