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Old 11-13-2013, 02:21 AM  
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Noonan Thoroughly Splinters Obama

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Old 11-13-2013, 12:05 PM   #16
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So you agree with Peggy Noonan's thesis that the reform of healthcare that Obama should have and could have implemented with the support of the GOP is eliminating the age minimum of 65 for Medicare and allowing everybody who needs insurance to enroll in Medicare?

It is kind of funny that you put some ridiculous headline that does not match the linked article and then you get posters in the thread who never even bother to read the article they just assume that your headline is true.

Medicare for Everybody. If that is the solution let's see when it happens and which political party advocates for it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:36 PM   #17
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So you agree with Peggy Noonan's thesis that the reform of healthcare that Obama should have and could have implemented with the support of the GOP is eliminating the age minimum of 65 for Medicare and allowing everybody who needs insurance to enroll in Medicare?

It is kind of funny that you put some ridiculous headline that does not match the linked article and then you get posters in the thread who never even bother to read the article they just assume that your headline is true.

Medicare for Everybody. If that is the solution let's see when it happens and which political party advocates for it.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Noonan absolutely splinters Obama in that piece. Anyone who reads it can see that.

And yes, part of that splintering is her thesis on what would have worked, and I agree with her that he'd have gotten a lot further if he'd have used that approach, though it wouldn't come without a fight. I don't think they would have gotten the mass expansion that she envisions, but I think it would have helped to build some grass roots support in that direction. I'm glad he didn't take that path, because it would have been harder to combat. I think in the long term, Obama would have won that in a war of attrition.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:40 PM   #18
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Hey, I'm still thankful for Bill changing oral to not actually being sex. It made for more interesting college years.
I thought it was called lying under oath in a sexual harassment lawsuit. Ya' know perjury?
Perjury by the chief law enforcement official in the country.

Are you saying you support sexual harrassment?

No one can help the fact that it was a sexual harassment lawsuit that was filed on him by a private citizen. Not only that, but he passed a law on sexual harassment.

Let's not forget his own campaign pledge in his original campaign for no new taxes--promptly forgotten once elected in very short time. As I recall it was just a few months.

Like I said, one liar calling out another liar is hilarious.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:43 PM   #19
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On the other hand, one liar calling out another liar is hilarious!
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:56 PM   #21
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. Noonan absolutely splinters Obama in that piece. Anyone who reads it can see that.

And yes, part of that splintering is her thesis on what would have worked, and I agree with her that he'd have gotten a lot further if he'd have used that approach, though it wouldn't come without a fight. I don't think they would have gotten the mass expansion that she envisions, but I think it would have helped to build some grass roots support in that direction. I'm glad he didn't take that path, because it would have been harder to combat.
I don't see her article having much consequence at all. Just have a bunch of partisan commentators trying to pile on when they think they have some issue to lie to the public about to influence upcoming elections.

She spends as much time pissing and moaning about how the GOP is not doing enough to milk it for all it could be worth because somehow the "political press' is not allowing it to happen.

Whatever dude, what she is really saying is that she needs to fan the flames to fully exploit this news item because it will fade away before you know it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:59 PM   #22
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. Noonan absolutely splinters Obama in that piece. Anyone who reads it can see that.
It's pretty obvious that jettio didn't read more than the first paragraph or two.
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I thought it was called lying under oath in a sexual harassment lawsuit. Ya' know perjury?
Perjury by the chief law enforcement official in the country.

Are you saying you support sexual harrassment?

No one can help the fact that it was a sexual harassment lawsuit that was filed on him by a private citizen. Not only that, but he passed a law on sexual harassment.

Let's not forget his own campaign pledge in his original campaign for no new taxes--promptly forgotten once elected in very short time. As I recall it was just a few months.

Like I said, one liar calling out another liar is hilarious.
I'm just saying that BJ's became like handshakes after Bill/Monica.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:29 PM   #25
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I don't see her article having much consequence at all. Just have a bunch of partisan commentators trying to pile on when they think they have some issue to lie to the public about to influence upcoming elections.

She spends as much time pissing and moaning about how the GOP is not doing enough to milk it for all it could be worth because somehow the "political press' is not allowing it to happen.

Whatever dude, what she is really saying is that she needs to fan the flames to fully exploit this news item because it will fade away before you know it.

I agree that the article doesn't have a lot of consequence. It's just an article.

What has consequence, however, is the policy, which is utterly destroying Democrats right now. Add to that the fact that the life boat that was supposed to rescue them from the planned disaster of insurance companies emancipating their customers from their insurance plans is inoperable and according to all reports will miss the November 30 deadline for being operable. I'm not sure how you think that this "news item" is going to fade away.

You call it a news item. I see a historical collapse of the federal government. You see the news item fading away. I see the power of this president fading away. But first things first, and that's the upcoming internal war between the democrats as they attempt to "reform" this mess, and the ugly fallout that ensues.

This cake is baked. All that's left right now is to eat it to find out what's in it.
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I agree that the article doesn't have a lot of consequence. It's just an article.

What has consequence, however, is the policy, which is utterly destroying Democrats right now. Add to that the fact that the life boat that was supposed to rescue them from the planned disaster of insurance companies emancipating their customers from their insurance plans is inoperable and according to all reports will miss the November 30 deadline for being operable. I'm not sure how you think that this "news item" is going to fade away.

You call it a news item. I see a historical collapse of the federal government. You see the news item fading away. I see the power of this president fading away. But first things first, and that's the upcoming internal war between the democrats as they attempt to "reform" this mess, and the ugly fallout that ensues.

This cake is baked. All that's left right now is to eat it to find out what's in it.
You forget that the media arm of the Democrats allowed Benghazi to fade away. They'll do something similar here.
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You forget that the media arm of the Democrats allowed Benghazi to fade away. They'll do something similar here.
A well-timed "terrorist attack" on "the homeland" should do the trick.

Or maybe we just start bombing Iran?

Marines storming into Syria? Yeah, that may work...
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I agree that the article doesn't have a lot of consequence. It's just an article.

What has consequence, however, is the policy, which is utterly destroying Democrats right now. Add to that the fact that the life boat that was supposed to rescue them from the planned disaster of insurance companies emancipating their customers from their insurance plans is inoperable and according to all reports will miss the November 30 deadline for being operable. I'm not sure how you think that this "news item" is going to fade away.

You call it a news item. I see a historical collapse of the federal government. You see the news item fading away. I see the power of this president fading away. But first things first, and that's the upcoming internal war between the democrats as they attempt to "reform" this mess, and the ugly fallout that ensues.

This cake is baked. All that's left right now is to eat it to find out what's in it.
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