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Old 11-14-2013, 02:51 PM  
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Wisconsin Thanksgiving lesson teaches hate and racism

Thanksgiving lesson teaches hate and racism

KAREN SCHROEDER



Karen Schroeder is the President of Advocates for Academic Freedom, a member of the Wisconsin Educational Communications Board, an experienced public school teacher with an MA, and an educational consultant.


MADISON, Wis. – A Thanksgiving lesson that teaches hate, fear, and racism rather than collaboration, diversity, and respect for truth has been prepared for students in Wisconsin K-5 classrooms.

According to the Department of Public Instruction website, this approach was first recommended in 1977.

This Thanksgiving lesson is based upon a “likelihood, the ‘First Thanksgiving’ in colonial America was proclaimed in 1637 to commemorate the murder of approximately 700 Pequot Indians at Mystic Fort.” This disgusting hypothesis is based on the admitted supposition of the late Professor William Newell of the University of Connecticut.

Actual documents from the 17th century include Edward Winslow’s writings in Mourt’s Relation and William Bradford’s account in Of Plymouth Plantation which describe the Thanksgiving in 1621 where settlers and Native Americans shared food and gave thanks



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Old 11-14-2013, 09:06 PM   #16
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Thanksgiving/harvest feast is as old as the hills. And while there may have been people that celebrated the winning of a battle on a particular year, that's not what its about. These people in Wisconsin are choosing to be offended over something that does not exist....loons.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:20 PM   #17
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So was the original name of the holiday 'Thanks for giving me smallpox'?
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:26 PM   #18
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So was the original name of the holiday 'Thanks for giving me smallpox'?
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:32 PM   #19
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Then the answer is to teach the historical realities, not to invent an all-new myth, this time with extra bile.

The first Thanksgiving and the following twenty or so years was the Golden Age of European and Native American relations. This idea is a misguided and even destructive pile of idiocy.
Obviously. But is this falsehood any worse than the one we teach about Columbus?

Conveniently leaving out the slavery and genocide part of the story is just as bad and racist, if you ask me.

It's not an issue of fighting a lie with another lie. I'm not saying that. I'm saying what's the difference between the two? They're both bad. I don't get why this one is more outrageous than the other.
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:28 AM   #20
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If they were poorer, then they couldn't have bribed the Injuns out of their land as charged. Unless of course you're arguing the Injuns were just too dumb to realize it. Your choice.


As for minority status, I guess so numerically. But status is related to power. If the first Thanksiving was truly a celebration of a mass slaughter than the white folks weren't minorities at all in terms of power eh?
So was it about slaughter or not? You post an article saying it wasn't but now you're saying it was.

Either way, they won't be teaching Kindergarteners what genocide is, so your article is a bunch of bullshit.
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #21
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Pretty sure Thanksgiving as a holiday was made up to make people feel Patriotic. I dont pay the history of it any attention we all know what a lie history is , especially Ameican History . The funny thing is they went and pumped up Thanksgiving in schools to brainwash kids and now the parents are made because they think the alternative shpeel is brainwashing .
right, but only YOU know history because you were there
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #22
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:09 PM   #23
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So was the original name of the holiday 'Thanks for giving me smallpox'?
Hey now. That only happened once, and it wasn't by Americans.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:17 PM   #24
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Obviously. But is this falsehood any worse than the one we teach about Columbus?

Conveniently leaving out the slavery and genocide part of the story is just as bad and racist, if you ask me.

It's not an issue of fighting a lie with another lie. I'm not saying that. I'm saying what's the difference between the two? They're both bad. I don't get why this one is more outrageous than the other.
Well, you got me. It's no more outrageous than ignoring the part about Columbus and his men mass-murdering Abanakis by the hundreds, if not thousands. That is also a misguided and destructive pile of idiocy. And speaking of which . . .
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #25
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Pretty sure Thanksgiving as a holiday was made up to make people feel Patriotic. I dont pay the history of it any attention we all know what a lie history is , especially Ameican History . The funny thing is they went and pumped up Thanksgiving in schools to brainwash kids and now the parents are made because they think the alternative shpeel is brainwashing .
So, everyone in the world is wrong, except you and you alone know the truth. Got it.

Thanksgiving was instituted by Lincoln to give thanks to God, not to the US. I would think that someone who values God above all else would be ecstatic that we have it. And, by the way, making people feel patriotic is not a bad thing.

I'm tired of you now. You try to hijack far too many threads to feed your own madness. I'm looking forward to when the rest of us get tired of you too, so you can wander away to whatever next crusade you feel you need to launch. Happy trails, Mr. Koresh.
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:08 AM   #27
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So was it about slaughter or not? You post an article saying it wasn't but now you're saying it was.

Either way, they won't be teaching Kindergarteners what genocide is, so your article is a bunch of bullshit.
No, read the excerpt next time. These nutballs want to teach it celebrates a 1637 slaughter rather than the earlier 1621 feast.
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:01 PM   #28
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No, read the excerpt next time. These nutballs want to teach it celebrates a 1637 slaughter rather than the earlier 1621 feast.
So you're ok with teaching them we slaughtered indians as long as it is clear it didn't happen that day right?
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:17 PM   #29
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So you're ok with teaching them we slaughtered indians as long as it is clear it didn't happen that day right?
You see no difference between acknowledging past slaughters and asserting that our national holidays celebrate said slaughters?
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:12 PM   #30
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First of all, you can't lump 'Native Americans' together in one big group, any more than you could go to Europe and label them all 'Europeans'. There were a lot of Native Americans there at the time, but they weren't a cohesive ethnicity; instead, they would have identified with their tribe, and by 1637 the white settlers of the area far, far outnumbered the Pequots.

The massacre at Mystic River was against those Pequots, who were in Connecticut, and against whom the European settlers (and a few allied Indian tribes) were fighting a very nasty war against relentless and practically invisible enemies, who were kicking the settler's ass. The 'first Thanksgiving' was in Massachusetts in 1621, and was with a completely different tribe (the Wampanoags), and - though it's not very well documented - most likely happened more or less the way it is often imagined; totally peaceful, even though the two cultures were complete aliens to each other.

That first Thanksgiving is proof that two groups of people really can share a space without wanting to kill each other, so it absolutely should be connected to the Native Americans. It's an example we don't want to forget, especially since European (and, later, American) interaction with Native Americans is so deadly dark for the 400 years following.

Also, Disney steals everything, and they bury anyone who tries to complain about it in an avalanche of lawyers. It's the Disney way.

Also also, 'nutballs' is about right.
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