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Old 11-16-2013, 01:35 AM  
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Oprah Winfrey: President Barack Obama is disrespected because hes black

I'm so tired of the race card and I think it's been so overplayed that it's actually creating race problems instead of solving them. People like her and other democrats don't actually believe that a person would have the gall to dislike the president for any other reason other than the half-color of his skin. It wouldn't dare be because he's by far the worst president of my lifetime. It wouldn't dare be because of the increase in taxes, obamacare, immigration "reform" ideas, illegal misuse of powers, Benghazi, IRS Scandal, NSA Scandal, poor economy--still or any other problem.


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.1518299

Oprah Winfrey has never been one to hold her tongue.

That remained true when she sat down with BBC's Will Gompertz and detailed how no one is above the racism that still exists in this world today not even the President of the United States, Barack Obama.

"There's a level of disrespect for the office that occurs in some cases and maybe even many cases because he's African American," she said. "There's no question about that. And it's the kind of thing no one ever says, but everybody's thinking it."

...blah blah blah

"There are still generations of older people who were born and breed and marinated in that prejudice and racism and they just have to die," she added.
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:50 AM   #2
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There's no question that it exists; some people will definitely hold the President's race against him. The question is how widespread it is, and that's one that can't be determined very well by just polling. People who are racist against the President will insist (sometimes sincerely) that they aren't because that's not a label most people want to affix to themselves; meanwhile, people who are super-sensitive to it will insist that the racism is perhaps more widespread than it really is. So knowing that it's out there, but not exactly to what degree, the trick is to combat it (through education, ideally), without turning it into a national witch-hunt.

I don't have time to read the whole article, but the main way in which I disagree with Oprah in that short blurb in the OP is when she says it's disrespect for the office. It's not, most of the time; it's disrespect for the man. The next President, if they're white, won't have any residual effects.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:09 AM   #3
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There are a lot more people who wouldn't have been as inclined to vote for him if he'd been some white guy from the suburbs - or who are still sticking by him now because of his race - than there are who are opposing him because of his race. I don't think anyone can make the argument that his race was not a huge advantage for him in 2008 and 2012.

If he had been a successful president, he'd be inoculated from this.

His approval rating was 39% last I saw, but we know that among minorities his approval is much higher, and among blacks it's always above 90%. Where would he be in the approval ratings if he looked like Mitch McConnell?
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:24 AM   #4
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:03 AM   #5
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There are a lot more people who wouldn't have been as inclined to vote for him if he'd been some white guy from the suburbs - or who are still sticking by him now because of his race - than there are who are opposing him because of his race. I don't think anyone can make the argument that his race was not a huge advantage for him in 2008 and 2012.

If he had been a successful president, he'd be inoculated from this.

His approval rating was 39% last I saw, but we know that among minorities his approval is much higher, and among blacks it's always above 90%. Where would he be in the approval ratings if he looked like Mitch McConnell?

If true, that's absolutely incredible.

And how dare blacks cry about racism if that is true.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:16 AM   #6
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:09 AM   #7
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There's no question that it exists; some people will definitely hold the President's race against him. The question is how widespread it is, and that's one that can't be determined very well by just polling. People who are racist against the President will insist (sometimes sincerely) that they aren't because that's not a label most people want to affix to themselves; meanwhile, people who are super-sensitive to it will insist that the racism is perhaps more widespread than it really is. So knowing that it's out there, but not exactly to what degree, the trick is to combat it (through education, ideally), without turning it into a national witch-hunt.

I don't have time to read the whole article, but the main way in which I disagree with Oprah in that short blurb in the OP is when she says it's disrespect for the office. It's not, most of the time; it's disrespect for the man. The next President, if they're white, won't have any residual effects.
I agree with this.

I'm not sure what type of education you're talking about, but I don't think that people who jump to the conclusion that disparaging comments about this President are based in race rather than competence, ideology, or other non-racial factors ought to be a part of it. I agree with jaa1025 that having an itchy race card trigger finger is counterproductive to race relations. (I'm not sure that's what Oprah is doing here though as it appears she might be saying something more like what you said).
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:11 AM   #8
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There are a lot more people who wouldn't have been as inclined to vote for him if he'd been some white guy from the suburbs - or who are still sticking by him now because of his race - than there are who are opposing him because of his race. I don't think anyone can make the argument that his race was not a huge advantage for him in 2008 and 2012.

If he had been a successful president, he'd be inoculated from this.
I think this is probably true too.
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:12 AM   #9
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I'm sure it goes on. The problem is that it seems like a lot of people just turn that into, "If you don't like Obama you're racist." People like Thatguy.

The flip side of her coin is that there's no doubt African Americans that give him a pass because he's black.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:16 AM   #10
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I dunno.

I was no fan of bush but I'm pretty sure he was disrespected more than anyone I can remember.

I mean the 'Bush is dumb' jokes became so redundant and so common that after a while I was convinced the only people still laughing at them were morons.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:23 AM   #11
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I dunno.

I was no fan of bush but I'm pretty sure he was disrespected more than anyone I can remember.

I mean the 'Bush is dumb' jokes became so redundant and so common that after a while I was convinced the only people still laughing at them were morons.
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Old 11-16-2013, 08:25 AM   #12
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ya, oprah, any disrespect is always rooted in racism, because there just couldn't be any other explanation...

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