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Old 11-18-2013, 04:49 PM  
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TAOS, N.M. (KRQE) - A simple traffic stop turned into a wild scene with a 14-year-old rushing a state cop, a high-speed chase and another officer firing at a fleeing minivan full of kids.Now the driver and her son are facing charges while New Mexico State Police are investigating the officers involved.

It all started Oct. 28 on a state highway south of Taos. A State Police officer pulled over Oriana Ferrell's minivan for going 71 mphr in a 55 mph zone. In the minivan with her were her five kids. The Taos News reports the children range in age from 6 to 18. On dash cam video you can see Ferrell and the officer argue after Ferrell couldn't decide whether to pay the $126 fine or contest it in court. The officer instructs her to turn her vehicle off and stay put before walking back to his car.But.

Ferrell drives off instead and the officer has to pull her over again. He doesn't appear happy as he approaches the driver's side door of the minivan.The officer yells for Ferrell to get out several times before reaching into the minivan to try and pull her out.In the dash cam video,
you can hear her children yelling for the officer to leave their mom alone and get off of her.

At one point Ferrell's 14-year-old son gets out of the minivan and starts walking towards the officer, but the boy thinks better of it after the officer draws his Taser and points it at the boy. He gets back in the van while the officer continues his struggle to get Ferrell out of the minivan."Look, I'm going to ask you one more time to get out of the vehicle and then I'm going to pull you out, OK?" the officer said. "You're already facing evading charges. You ran away from me.""Sir, I pulled back over, I didn't run away," Ferrell responded. "You see my children. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just trying to take them to the Rio Grande."

Finally, Ferrell agrees toget out and talk with the officer behind the minivan. The conversation
doesn't last long. When the officer tells her to turn around, Ferrell bolts back towards her minivan. The officer grabs her and a struggle ensues.That's when her 14-year-old son gets out of the car again and rushes the officer.

The boy and the cop have a short tussle. The officer draws his Taser again while the boy runs back into the minivan and closes the door.As backup officers pull up, the officer pulls out his baton and smashes one of the rear windows as the family screams
again. The minivan speeds off while another officer fires what appears to be three shots at the fleeing vehicle.Ferrell leads State Police on a high-speed chase into Taos before giving herself up in front of a hotel.

Ferrell and her 14-year-old son are both arrested. The mother gets child abuse and fleeing charges as well as a misdemeanor for possession of drug paraphernalia. The Taos News reports that State Police claim they found two marijuana pipes in the minivan. Her son is charged with battery of an officer.The family is reportedly from Memphis and was visiting New Mexico on an educational trip.

State Police are not releasing the names of the officers involved but say
they are both under investigation for the incident.
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Cops actually handled this appropriately.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:07 PM   #16
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So I immediately wanted to come in here and be all like wtf to the Mom and the kid and the cop that shot his gun, but at least as far as the cop is concerned, I noticed the baton cop got scared by something right before the other cop started shooting. He fleed from the vehicle really quickly, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that a gun, a toy gun, or a gun looking object was pointed at him from inside the vehicle.
He fled from the vehicle because he was getting back to his car to chase the moving van.

Besides, the guy that fired into the vehicle wouldn't have been at an angle to see that anyway.

That cop completely lost his cool. I'd be pretty comfortable with any of the rest of them in a foxhole with me; they were pretty levelheaded all things considered. That last guy, OTOH, is not the kind of personality I'd want to work in a high-stress situation with.

Remember - the difference between the great and the dead are often the ability to take that one extra breath and assess when all hell is breaking lose around him. This guy clearly lacks that ability.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:08 PM   #17
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Remember - the difference between the great and the dead are often the ability to take that one extra breath and assess when all hell is breaking lose around him. This guy clearly lacks that ability.
This also applies to posting on Chiefsplanet, I think.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:09 PM   #18
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It's still a really bad idea.

I'm not a cop, and I don't know cop policy, but it seems like the golden rule should be that "cops don't shoot, they shoot back".
....REALLY a bad idea is putting your kids at risk in today's whack a mole society.

.....situation could've end up in a lot of unfrotunate ways...over a speeding ticket.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:10 PM   #19
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It's still a really bad idea.

I'm not a cop, and I don't know cop policy, but it seems like the golden rule should be that "cops don't shoot, they shoot back".
Can't argue with that at all. I'm not agreeing with what the cop did at all, nothing there warranted gunfire. I was just trying to make a suggestion as to what he may have been thinking (I know nothing about police work either).
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:17 PM   #20
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....REALLY a bad idea is putting your kids at risk in today's whack a mole society.

.....situation could've end up in a lot of unfrotunate ways...over a speeding ticket.
Well, yeah, that too. Another good rule that was broken here is to never flee the police when your kids are in the car.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:23 PM   #21
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:27 PM   #22
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:31 PM   #23
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Lot of stupid in that vid.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:38 PM   #24
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Everyone in that video is an idiot except for the kid that got out to defend his idiot mother.
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:39 PM   #25
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:41 PM   #26
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I've carried a gun with the need to use it on occasion. That said, these cops are waaaaay to trigger happy. Even during a freaking war we used better judgment with when and how to use our weapons. I know most cops are good at what they do, but there is a small fraction that just need to only carry one bullet in their shirt pocket, or join Farva on radio detail.
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Everyone in that video is an idiot except for the kid that got out to defend his idiot mother.
What?

That dipshit kid is the biggest idiot of all of them. He's really goddamn lucky he didn't get shot. His involvement escalated that situation and is the reason batons starting going through windows.

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Old 11-18-2013, 06:44 PM   #28
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What?

That dipshit kid is the biggest idiot of all of them. He's really goddamn lucky he didn't get shot. His involvement escalated that situation and is the reason batons starting going through windows.

Buncha mouthbreathers on this board.
The kid is watching his idiot mother get grabbed by the cops. He is young and reacting to help her out. Easy with the internet trash talk there tough guy.
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I would guess next time she gets pulled over she won't drive off.
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