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Old 11-21-2013, 11:34 AM  
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Nuclear option by Reid

I know why he is doing this but I cannot see this being good for democrats. Its as if he and Obama will watch the majority crash and burn as long as Obama gets his way till midterms. Or maybe they have the numbers that show the Rs will have House and Sennate after midterms and they only have a year to do all the damage they can.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:42 AM   #2
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As I understand it, he was against doing this very thing in 05 or 06. Hypocrisy runs deep on both sides with this one.

That being said this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to try and deflect attention away from ObustedCare
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:45 AM   #3
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As I understand it, he was against doing this very thing in 05 or 06. Hypocrisy runs deep on both sides with this one.

That being said this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to try and deflect attention away from ObustedCare
Bullshit. They will stack courts with this. Its far from a stunt
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:46 AM   #4
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Bullshit. They will stack courts with this. Its far from a stunt
I heard that all but 2 judges have been confirmed anyway so if that's true that's hardly a difference
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:52 AM   #5
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As I understand it, he was against doing this very thing in 05 or 06. Hypocrisy runs deep on both sides with this one.

That being said this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to try and deflect attention away from ObustedCare


He was. Of course at some point Dems will be in the minority in the SEnate and be unhappy this was done.

That said, the nuclear option was threatened so often it was clearly going to happen eventually.

All that really needs to be said on this is that Chief Justice Roberts' seat on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, which he vacated in 2005, is STILL VACANT. EIGHT YEARS later.

The system is clearly broken. This will fix it. The concept of the niceties of the Senate, etc. is a function of a bygone era. Now, hate, vitriol and extremism rule all. In that environment, a 60 vote majority is unworkable because it gets abused all the time (by both parties, not just Republicans).

So I'm hardly shocked, dismayed or outraged, though I would have been 10 years ago...
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Bullshit. They will stack courts with this. Its far from a stunt

"Stack the courts"? You mean fill empty positions, many of which have been empty for years? I guess if you want to call that "stacking", go ahead, but it makes no sense.
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I heard that all but 2 judges have been confirmed anyway so if that's true that's hardly a difference

There are three nominations pending at the D.C. Circuit Court alone. More at other circuit courts and then there are the district courts. All delayed by the Senate's inability to act.
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What Reid did was make permanant on all issues that the senate will do nothing. Lock it down till dems are tossed out in midterms
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Old 11-21-2013, 12:05 PM   #10
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What Reid did was make permanant on all issues that the senate will do nothing. Lock it down till dems are tossed out in midterms

It will move the nominations into their positions, which is all he was hoping to achieve. Nobody can seem to do anything anyway, so how does this make it worse? Don't think it does really.

In the long run, of course, there will be a day when Democrats regret this move, but perhaps the Republicans would've done the same thing anyway so it wouldn't have mattered. The Republicans threatened it before as well, but the two sides always managed to negotiate a solution.
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Listening to Obama on this is sad. Every failure he has had is someone elses fault sonhe says change the rules just for me. Dems will look back on this move with the deepest regret.
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Listening to Obama on this is sad. Every failure he has had is someone elses fault sonhe says change the rules just for me. Dems will look back on this move with the deepest regret.
Not really. Republicans would likely have done the same, especially if someone like Cruz was in the senior leadership. They weren't likely to stand on tradition and let their agenda be blocked.

at Harry Reid, pointing out that if he's a hypocrite, he's certainly not the only one.

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Right, because this actually is much like Kristallnacht. Thanks for that insight.
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