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Old 11-21-2013, 12:34 PM  
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Nuclear option by Reid

I know why he is doing this but I cannot see this being good for democrats. Its as if he and Obama will watch the majority crash and burn as long as Obama gets his way till midterms. Or maybe they have the numbers that show the Rs will have House and Sennate after midterms and they only have a year to do all the damage they can.
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Old 11-23-2013, 11:39 AM   #136
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I take it you don't have any reason beyond our party didn't nominate them?
No, it shows how uninformed you are, that you needed to ask.

Resulting in you asking a loaded question that would likely hijack the thread, take a long time to answer in order to educate you.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:22 PM   #137
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No, it shows how uninformed you are, that you needed to ask.

Resulting in you asking a loaded question that would likely hijack the thread, take a long time to answer in order to educate you.
Asking for the reason why Republicans are against over 60 percent of the nominees would take a long time to answer?

You say that a lot. I think you are just lazy.

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Senate Republicans filibustered another one of President Barack Obama's nominees on Tuesday: Nina Pillard, a Georgetown University law professor and a noncontroversial nominee to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Senate voted 56 to 41 on a procedural motion for Pillard, falling short of the 60 votes needed to bring her confirmation vote to the floor. Only two Republicans, Sens. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Susan Collins (Maine), sided with Democrats to let her proceed.

Republicans readily admit their opposition to Pillard isn't about her. In fact, they don't really have a problem with any of Obama's picks for the D.C. Circuit, the second most powerful court in the nation. They just don't want him to fill its three vacancies. Many of them say the court isn't busy enough to warrant filling its empty seats; others make the counterintuitive argument that Obama is "court-packing" by filling routine vacancies. But both of those arguments gloss over the fact that the president, any president, has a constitutional duty to fill empty court seats, and barring extraordinary circumstances, the Senate is supposed to give nominees a vote.

Pillard's filibuster is the latest example of how the Senate isn't holding to that standard anymore. Not only is she the third noncontroversial nominee that Republicans have filibustered in the last two weeks, but she is now the 20th Obama nominee who is either currently being blocked or was blocked and ultimately withdrew from the process.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4255062.html

So again, do you have a reason beyond your party didn't nominate them?
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:25 PM   #138
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It's not really my party. ASSume much?

Still have to ask the reason? Don't you know, since you're the history buff.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:36 PM   #139
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After the Senate voted to change filibuster rules Thursday, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for more reforms.
“This has been escalating for a long period of time and it was time to stop it and that’s what we did this morning,” Harkin said. “Now we need to take it a step farther and change the filibuster rules on legislation.”.........
So basically break what our founding fathers purposely put in. This is so the majority party does not steam roll the minority party.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:27 PM   #140
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Refusing to is not deciding a nominee. You are dumb.

If it decided a nominee, there wouldn't be open positions, which the president is mandated by law to appoint nominees too.

Senator Johnny Isakson (GA): “[T]he Constitution require[s] an up-or-down vote” on judicial nominees. “I will vote to support a vote, up or down, on every nominee. Understanding that, were I in the minority party and the issues reversed, I would take exactly the same position because this document, our Constitution, does not equivocate” (5/19/05).
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There are open positions because the President hasn't nominated someone for whom the decision is approval. But refusing to approve, whether done through a vote or by neglect is just as much of a decision. Sorry.
You are both pretty much right, I think. The reason why is because the very concept of a filibuster is a stupid pile of bullcrap that enjoys no constitutional protection, shouldn't exist, and should not be respected as a reason for failure.

If a nomination fails because of a filibuster, as far as I'm concerned, a majority of the Senate did not really want to approve the nominee badly enough to do what needs to be done to approve the nomination.

When a democrat or republican basically shrugs and says "gee, I wanted him to get an up or down vote and I would have then voted for it, but the rascals in the other side filibustered", if that Democrat or Republican was unwilling to vote for the nuclear option to get rid of the filibuster, then I'm just going to ignore what he says and chalk him up as a no, and then say that a majority of the Senate rejected the nominee.
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:31 PM   #141
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So basically break what our founding fathers purposely put in. This is so the majority party does not steam roll the minority party.
The founding fathers did not come up with the filibuster (not as a tool to force a super-majority to pass anything anyway), and would not have supported it.

It happened completely by accident. The original purpose was to delay things long enough to let a Senator hurry back to the Senate in his carriage to vote.

Generations later, someone read the rules, thought about the filibuster, and went "hey wait a minute, we could block this legislation..." and the rest is history.
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Old 11-23-2013, 02:55 PM   #142
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So basically break what our founding fathers purposely put in. This is so the majority party does not steam roll the minority party.
Huh?
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:15 PM   #143
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What are the reasons they don't want to vote for the nominees?
Some are because the nominees suck for various reasons and others are because the court's work volume is low. That's my understanding.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:16 PM   #144
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And he will never tell us what Bush offered the Democrats in exchange for voting for nominees.

Because he didn't.
I already addressed that question fully and completely.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:17 PM   #145
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Elizabeth Warren is a perfect example. She was qualified to head the consumer protection agency.
WHAT??? Warren isn't qualified to wipe her own ass. She may actually be functionally retarded. How you can say she is "qualified" for anything with a straight face is amazing.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:22 PM   #146
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WHAT??? Warren isn't qualified to wipe her own ass. She may actually be functionally retarded. How you can say she is "qualified" for anything with a straight face is amazing.
BRC gets smitten with his far left overlords pretty easily.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:23 PM   #147
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WHAT??? Warren isn't qualified to wipe her own ass. She may actually be functionally retarded. How you can say she is "qualified" for anything with a straight face is amazing.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:39 PM   #148
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WHAT??? Warren isn't qualified to wipe her own ass. She may actually be functionally retarded. How you can say she is "qualified" for anything with a straight face is amazing.
OK...so why do you say she may be functionally retarded?
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Old 11-23-2013, 05:35 PM   #149
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WHAT??? Warren isn't qualified to wipe her own ass. She may actually be functionally retarded. How you can say she is "qualified" for anything with a straight face is amazing.
It sounds like she'll fit right into this administration.
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It sounds like she'll fit right into this administration.
As long as she tells Obama how nice he looks in new robe
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