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Old 11-21-2013, 12:34 PM  
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Nuclear option by Reid

I know why he is doing this but I cannot see this being good for democrats. Its as if he and Obama will watch the majority crash and burn as long as Obama gets his way till midterms. Or maybe they have the numbers that show the Rs will have House and Sennate after midterms and they only have a year to do all the damage they can.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:04 PM   #76
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Obama could have easily gotten past this by making a deal with republicans. You pick half and I pick half.
Just as the founders intended.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:05 PM   #77
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Yeah, maybe just give the other party their choice of Supreme Court nominee. Why not let them pick the cabinet?
Why not let them pick his VP?

Does Obama hate America that much that he refuses to compromise with the GOP on his own VP?
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:06 PM   #78
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If there was a real crisis facing a true Patriot they would. But no, instead we have in front of us a morally corrupt party and president that sees the writing on the wall and plays the biggest stupid card ever played. Never mind they have no problem flat out lying to the public for political gain just to push forward their agenda.

In one split second they have decided their ideology is more important than democracy. This goes way deeper than just federal judges.
This is just shit reasoning, mlyonsd. I expect better from you.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:09 PM   #79
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It's House Resolution 368, passed on October 1.
He passed it with a majority of the House though, per House rules. And it wasn't even a party line vote. So I'm not sure what you meant by unilaterally.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:17 PM   #80
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When it speaks for itself does it tell you that Republicans are big meanies who just want to say no or that Barack Obama isn't working as hard as previous Presidents to nominate people acceptable by at least a handful of Senators from the other party? Because it's not clear to me so I'm inclined to think that it doesn't really speak for itself.
Exactly that.

I can't believe you actually believe this crap or that it sounds reasonable to any but the dumbest of the dumb, which I acknowledge makes up a large portion of the right wingers on here.
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Old 11-22-2013, 05:18 AM   #81
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so its ok of dems to cry foul in 2005 but then do the very same thing they were against and now are for? that doesn't bother you?
I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of both sides
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Old 11-22-2013, 06:39 AM   #82
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Exactly that.

I can't believe you actually believe this crap or that it sounds reasonable to any but the dumbest of the dumb, which I acknowledge makes up a large portion of the right wingers on here.
"Speaks for itself" must be code just like "middle of the road".
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:08 AM   #83
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Speaking of no context, your graph doesn't provide any actual useful context because it doesn't show Bush appointments that Democrats blocked, but Obama renominated anyway. Nor does it give any context for how many were appointed at this time in each president's terms.

Basically, your graph is useless. I mean look at that thing... Here's how you can read it: Half way through Obama's two terms, he's managed to appoint half of the amount that these other presidents appointed in their full terms.

Great graph!
Um, those graphs do take into account appointments democrats blocked. Notice Bush had over 85 percent approved, not 100. And Obama is under half.

Here is some more evidence of the extreme amount of obstructionism:

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Old 11-22-2013, 07:12 AM   #84
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Um, those graphs do take into account appointments democrats blocked. Notice Bush had over 85 percent approved, not 100. And Obama is under half.
Bush was obviously better at bipartisanship. He was clearly more willing to offer concessions to democrats instead of the back of his hand and a snide reminder that he won the election. The evidence speaks for itself.
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:16 AM   #85
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Since Conservatives love trolling with quotes of Dems blocking the most extreme of Bush nominees (but nothing compared to the current level of obstructionism), let us quote mine what Republicans were saying before they decided to stop having a functioning government while Obama is President.

Mitch McConnell (KY)

“Any President’s judicial nominees should receive careful consideration. But after that debate, they deserve a simple up-or-down vote” (5/19/05).

http://books.google.com/books?id=vWB...20vote&f=false

“Let's get back to the way the Senate operated for over 200 years, up or down votes on the president's nominee, no matter who the president is, no matter who's in control of the Senate” (5/22/05).

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_52205.pdf

Lindsey Graham (SC)

“I think filibustering judges will destroy the judiciary over time. I think it’s unconstitutional” (5/23/05).

Senator Orrin Hatch (UT): Filibustering judicial nominees is “unfair, dangerous, partisan, and unconstitutional” (1/12/05).


Senator John Thune (SD): Filibustering judicial nominees “is contrary to our Constitution …. It was the Founders’ intention that the Senate dispose of them with a simple majority vote” (4/21/05).

Senator John Cornyn (TX): Judicial filibusters are “offensive to our nation’s constitutional design…. [S]eparation of powers principles strongly suggest that the Senate may not—and especially not by mere Senate rule—enhance its own power in such a manner without offending the Constitution” (2004).

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX): “[T]he Constitution envisions a 51-vote majority for judgeships…. [Filibustering judges] amend[s] the Constitution without going through the proper processes…. We have a majority rule that is the tradition of the Senate with judges. It is the constitutional requirement” (4/28/05).

Senator Jon Kyl (AZ): “The President was elected fair and square. He has the right to submit judicial nominees and it is the Senate’s obligation under the Constitution to act on those nominees” (4/10/08).

http://www.pfaw.org/press-releases/2...re-unconstitut
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:23 AM   #86
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Bush was obviously better at bipartisanship. He was clearly more willing to offer concessions to democrats instead of the back of his hand and a snide reminder that he won the election. The evidence speaks for itself.
A President needs to offer concessions in order to do his mandated job of appointing nominees?

Concessions just for the Senate to do its job of voting for them instead of refusing to even have the up and down vote?

Senator Richard Shelby (AL): “Why not allow the President to do his job of selecting judicial nominees and let us do our job in confirming or denying them? Principles of fairness call for it and the Constitution requires it” (11/12/03).

Senator Johnny Isakson (GA): “[T]he Constitution require[s] an up-or-down vote” on judicial nominees. “I will vote to support a vote, up or down, on every nominee. Understanding that, were I in the minority party and the issues reversed, I would take exactly the same position because this document, our Constitution, does not equivocate” (5/19/05).

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Old 11-22-2013, 08:57 AM   #87
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Filibusters are dumb. Regardless of party. This is a good thing
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:00 AM   #88
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Bush was obviously better at bipartisanship. He was clearly more willing to offer concessions to democrats instead of the back of his hand and a snide reminder that he won the election. The evidence speaks for itself.
Really? He offered concessions on nominees? Like what--can you name anything?
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:40 AM   #89
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He was. Of course at some point Dems will be in the minority in the SEnate and be unhappy this was done.

That said, the nuclear option was threatened so often it was clearly going to happen eventually.

All that really needs to be said on this is that Chief Justice Roberts' seat on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, which he vacated in 2005, is STILL VACANT. EIGHT YEARS later.

The system is clearly broken. This will fix it. The concept of the niceties of the Senate, etc. is a function of a bygone era. Now, hate, vitriol and extremism rule all. In that environment, a 60 vote majority is unworkable because it gets abused all the time (by both parties, not just Republicans).

So I'm hardly shocked, dismayed or outraged, though I would have been 10 years ago...
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"Stack the courts"? You mean fill empty positions, many of which have been empty for years? I guess if you want to call that "stacking", go ahead, but it makes no sense.
So you just posted about the extreme partisan atmosphere in Congress, then you have the gall to say the Dems won't be stacking the courts? GOP did the same thing when they had a chance.
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Uhh... they're supposed to stack the courts.

That's what happens when you win POTUS and the Senate.

They're... not supposed to fill vacancies with judges they agree with?
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