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Old 11-21-2013, 12:34 PM  
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Nuclear option by Reid

I know why he is doing this but I cannot see this being good for democrats. Its as if he and Obama will watch the majority crash and burn as long as Obama gets his way till midterms. Or maybe they have the numbers that show the Rs will have House and Sennate after midterms and they only have a year to do all the damage they can.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:34 AM   #91
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Since Conservatives love trolling with quotes of Dems blocking the most extreme of Bush nominees (but nothing compared to the current level of obstructionism), let us quote mine what Republicans were saying before they decided to stop having a functioning government while Obama is President.
Yet in the end they still didn't do away with it. Not liking it is one thing, acting on it another.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:39 AM   #92
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Uhh... they're supposed to stack the courts.

That's what happens when you win POTUS and the Senate.

They're... not supposed to fill vacancies with judges they agree with?
It would be more polite to let the other side pick half of them.

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Old 11-22-2013, 10:40 AM   #93
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It would be more Truly Patriotic to let the other side pick half of them.

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Old 11-22-2013, 10:41 AM   #94
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It would be more polite to let the other side pick half of them.

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No president has ever bargained with appointees. /cosmp
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:41 AM   #95
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No president has ever bargained with appointees. /cosmp
You didn't suggest that.

You suggested that Obama forfeit half of his Constitutionally mandated appointments to the Republican Party.

You actually suggested that, and typed it out loud, and expected that idea to be taken seriously.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:44 AM   #96
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You didn't suggest that.

You suggested that Obama forfeit half of his Constitutionally mandated appointments to the Republican Party.

You actually suggested that, and typed it out loud, and expected that idea to be taken seriously.
Right, I know I did. Poor wording on my part, have fun with it.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:49 AM   #97
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Poor wording on my part, have fun with it.
God, I hope it was poor wording.

Sadly, you have a track record of believing the President fails the True Patriot Test by failing to cede everything to the Republican Party.

Remember your recommendation for the President during the fiscal cliff showdown? I remember them distinctly.

Hint: it was exactly the same.

If the President really cared about making a deal, you said, he should make the Republicans "an offer they can't refuse" -- remember saying that?

I replied: most of the things Obama's pushed have been moderate Republican ideas.

Your reply: I didn't say he should push those ideas, he should push an offer they can't refuse -- something to the right of even that.

So it stretches your credibility to pretend like it was some innocent slip of the keyboard, and you accidentally suggested Obama should cede his Constitutional power to the minority party.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:53 AM   #98
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God, I hope it was poor wording.

Sadly, you have a track record of believing the President fails the True Patriot Test by failing to cede everything to the Republican Party.

Remember your recommendation for the President during the fiscal cliff showdown? I remember them distinctly.

Hint: it was exactly the same.

If the President really cared about making a deal, you said, he should make the Republicans "an offer they can't refuse" -- remember saying that?

I replied: most of the things Obama's pushed have been moderate Republican ideas.

Your reply: I didn't say he should push those ideas, he should push an offer they can't refuse -- something to the right of even that.

So it stretches your credibility to pretend like it was some innocent slip of the keyboard, and you accidentally suggested Obama should cede his Constitutional power to the minority party.
I'll gladly put my credibility up against yours any day.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:56 AM   #99
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I'll gladly put my credibility up against yours any day.
Everyone should. I gladly admit that I have zero credibility and I'm not a smart person.

Do you believe that the President should give half of his nominations to the Republican Party from here on out? And that failing to do so means he's not a True Patriot?

Did you not argue that the President truly didn't want a Fiscal Cliff deal because he refused to offer the GOP a rightwing fiscal deal?
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:04 AM   #100
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Everyone should. I gladly admit that I have zero credibility and I'm not a smart person.

Do you believe that the President should give half of his nominations to the Republican Party from here on out? And that failing to do so means he's not a True Patriot?

Did you not argue that the President truly didn't want a Fiscal Cliff deal because he refused to offer the GOP a rightwing fiscal deal?
Yes I said that and have admitted it was poor wording. I shouldn't have posted 'give'. I'm not going to play semantic games with you though.

And yes, Obama wanted to go over the fiscal cliff. You can't really argue against that.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:07 AM   #101
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Yes I said that and have admitted it was poor wording. I shouldn't have posted 'give'. I'm not going to play semantic games with you though.
Thank you for admitting that you were wrong to advocate the President to give up Constitutional power.

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And yes, Obama wanted to go over the fiscal cliff. You can't really argue against that.
Dodge. That wasn't what I asked you.

Did you not argue that the President truly didn't want a Fiscal Cliff deal because he refused to offer the GOP a rightwing fiscal deal?
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #102
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Yes I said that and have admitted it was poor wording. I shouldn't have posted 'give'. I'm not going to play semantic games with you though.
What should you have said? I'm not sure waht replacement word would make it any better.
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:19 AM   #103
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:38 AM   #104
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Thank you for admitting that you were wrong to advocate the President to give up Constitutional power.



Dodge. That wasn't what I asked you.

Did you not argue that the President truly didn't want a Fiscal Cliff deal because he refused to offer the GOP a rightwing fiscal deal?
No, I never said that. Is aid a deal they couldn't refuse which isn't necessarily the same thing. As it turns out I was exactly right. Obama only wanted to do damage to the republicans. That is without question.

Your turn, did Obama knowingly lie to the public about Obamacare? Specifically keep I g their plans and doctors?
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Old 11-22-2013, 12:10 PM   #105
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No, I never said that.
You never said that? You never said that Obama should resolve the sequester and/or shutdown by offering the GOP a rightwing fiscal deal?

You sure about that?

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My suggestion would be for Obama and dems to get their act together and propose something the reps can't refuse.
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The Democratic Party should propose a Republican solution.

Brilliant. Because that hasn't been tried before.
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I said give them an offer they can't refuse, not necessarily what they want.

Reps already caved on taxes. Now its Obama's turn to dance.
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Ah, offer them rightwing Republican ideas.

Why don't Democrats ever do this!??!
How sure are you now?

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Your turn, did Obama knowingly lie to the public about Obamacare? Specifically keep I g their plans and doctors?
Wow.

That's a completely different topic. That's already been covered in another thread. You were in it. I was in it. It was a great time.

If you want to resurrect that thread, I'll meet you there. This thread is about the nuclear option.
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