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Old 11-21-2013, 12:34 PM  
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Nuclear option by Reid

I know why he is doing this but I cannot see this being good for democrats. Its as if he and Obama will watch the majority crash and burn as long as Obama gets his way till midterms. Or maybe they have the numbers that show the Rs will have House and Sennate after midterms and they only have a year to do all the damage they can.
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:00 PM   #106
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After the Senate voted to change filibuster rules Thursday, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) called for more reforms.
“This has been escalating for a long period of time and it was time to stop it and that’s what we did this morning,” Harkin said. “Now we need to take it a step farther and change the filibuster rules on legislation.”.........
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:20 PM   #107
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You never said that? You never said that Obama should resolve the sequester and/or shutdown by offering the GOP a rightwing fiscal deal?

You sure about that?

Yes I'm still sure. You reading comprehension usually doesn't fail you this poorly.


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Wow.

That's a completely different topic. That's already been covered in another thread. You were in it. I was in it. It was a great time.

If you want to resurrect that thread, I'll meet you there. This thread is about the nuclear option.
I'm not referencing a thread, I'm asking a straight up question. Did Obama knowingly lie about people keeping their plans and doctors?
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:54 PM   #108
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I'm not referencing a thread, I'm asking a straight up question. Did Obama knowingly lie about people keeping their plans and doctors?
I didn't say you were referencing a thread.

I said you're nakedly changing the subject as your denialism exposes itself.

You want to talk about something else? I don't blame you. I'm happy to meet you in the appropriate thread. As I already have.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:12 PM   #109
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I'm not referencing a thread, I'm asking a straight up question. Did Obama knowingly lie about people keeping their plans and doctors?
You're asking Direckshun this?

Don't ask a question you already know the answer to.

Answer the question and surprise me Direckshun.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:13 PM   #110
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You're asking Direckshun this?

Don't ask a question you already know the answer to.

Answer the question and surprise me Direckshun.
Already have.

Surprise!
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:22 PM   #111
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Hey, thanks for the link...actually kind of nice of you...but I missed the part where you admitted he flat out lied...y'know the surprising part.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:25 PM   #112
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Hey, thanks for the link...actually kind of nice of you...but I missed the part where you admitted he flat out lied...y'know the surprising part.
If you want to extend the discussion in that thread, take it to that thread.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:03 PM   #113
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A President needs to offer concessions in order to do his mandated job of appointing nominees?

Concessions just for the Senate to do its job of voting for them instead of refusing to even have the up and down vote?

Senator Richard Shelby (AL): “Why not allow the President to do his job of selecting judicial nominees and let us do our job in confirming or denying them? Principles of fairness call for it and the Constitution requires it” (11/12/03).

Senator Johnny Isakson (GA): “[T]he Constitution require[s] an up-or-down vote” on judicial nominees. “I will vote to support a vote, up or down, on every nominee. Understanding that, were I in the minority party and the issues reversed, I would take exactly the same position because this document, our Constitution, does not equivocate” (5/19/05).

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The Senate's job isn't to have an up or down vote on Presidential nominees. It's job is to consider the nominees and either consent or not consent. Your guy is terrible at working across the aisle.

And more than likely, this brute force maneuver will push the Republicans further away from any kind of cooperation. That's what happens when you poison the well like this administration and their cohorts in Congress have done.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:12 PM   #114
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Really? He offered concessions on nominees? Like what--can you name anything?
I was talking more generally about Bush's willingness to work with democrats. That's why I referred to Obama's "I won" comment that took place during "negotiations" with Republicans over his stimulus proposal. Obama likes to negotiate for both sides when he sits down with his opposition and ultimately offer a take-it-or-leave-it "compromise". Bush actually invited democrats to help work on legislative initiatives (e.g. NCLB) where the give and take were real. That's why, as much partisanship as there was during the Bush years, it never got to the point it has during the Obama years.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:16 PM   #115
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If you want to extend the discussion in that thread, take it to that thread.
If you'd just give him a simple, straight, non-crazy answer, it would have taken fewer posts and been less of a distraction than you repeatedly avoiding the issue by pointing to another thread.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:17 PM   #116
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The Senate's job isn't to have an up or down vote on Presidential nominees. It's job is to consider the nominees and either consent or not consent. Your guy is terrible at working across the aisle.

And more than likely, this brute force maneuver will push the Republicans further away from any kind of cooperation. That's what happens when you poison the well like this administration and their cohorts in Congress have done.
Yes, it is the Senates Job to vote on nominees. The president nominates, the Senate votes.

Refusing to even hold a vote is obstructionism and does not require any concessions.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:31 PM   #117
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Yes, it is the Senates Job to vote on nominees. The president nominates, the Senate votes.

Refusing to even hold a vote is obstructionism and does not require any concessions.
No, refusing to vote is just one way of deciding on the nominee. Have you ever heard of a pocket veto? Similar principle.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:42 PM   #118
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No, refusing to vote is just one way of deciding on the nominee. Have you ever heard of a pocket veto? Similar principle.
Refusing to is not deciding a nominee. You are dumb.

If it decided a nominee, there wouldn't be open positions, which the president is mandated by law to appoint nominees too.

Senator Johnny Isakson (GA): “[T]he Constitution require[s] an up-or-down vote” on judicial nominees. “I will vote to support a vote, up or down, on every nominee. Understanding that, were I in the minority party and the issues reversed, I would take exactly the same position because this document, our Constitution, does not equivocate” (5/19/05).
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Refusing to is not deciding a nominee. You are dumb.

If it decided a nominee, there wouldn't be open positions, which the president is mandated by law to appoint nominees too.

Senator Johnny Isakson (GA): “[T]he Constitution require[s] an up-or-down vote” on judicial nominees. “I will vote to support a vote, up or down, on every nominee. Understanding that, were I in the minority party and the issues reversed, I would take exactly the same position because this document, our Constitution, does not equivocate” (5/19/05).
There are open positions because the President hasn't nominated someone for whom the decision is approval. But refusing to approve, whether done through a vote or by neglect is just as much of a decision. Sorry.
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There are open positions because the President hasn't nominated someone for whom the decision is approval. But refusing to approve, whether done through a vote or by neglect is just as much of a decision. Sorry.
What are the exact reasons the are against the nominees?

Vote no, let him appoint another one then.

Or are the too coward to hold a vote?
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