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Old 11-23-2013, 08:25 PM  
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Deal reached on Iranian nuclear program

DEVELOPING: A deal between six world powers and Iran has been struck, Fox News confirms.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said, `'Yes, we have a deal," as he walked past reporters crowding the hotel lobby where marathon negotiations had taken place over the past five days.

Asked if there was a deal, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said `'Yes" and gave a thumbs up sign.

The goal had been to hammer out an agreement to freeze Iran's nuclear program for six months, while offering the Iranians limited relief from crippling economic sanctions. If the interim deal holds, the parties will negotiate final-stage agreements to ensure Iran does not build nuclear weapons.

The deal came after the personal intervention by Secretary of State John Kerry and other foreign ministers whose presence had raised hopes for a breakthrough.

Diplomats refused to spell out details of the talks, which dragged on past midnight and into early Sunday.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11...clear-program/
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:56 PM   #46
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The sellout will become known. Allies will now see Obama is false on every level:

How is Obama false here when he ran on anti-war rhetoric?


Why have you used the word "allies" when the article says six "world" powers?
Such as United States, France, Britain, Germany, China and Russia. Three of those are our allies. If they see Obama as false, then what does it make them?

I think you really mean Bibi and company in Israel and their American press allies -- Fox news. Really only one country is an ally.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:05 PM   #47
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How is Obama false here when he ran on anti-war rhetoric?


Why have you used the word "allies" when the article says six "world" powers?
Such as United States, France, Britain, Germany, China and Russia. Three of those are our allies. If they see Obama as false, then what does it make them?

I think you really mean Bibi and company in Israel and their American press allies -- Fox news. Really only one country is an ally.
Your playing a role. Don't overplay it or you will look foolish.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:16 PM   #48
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Your playing a role. Don't overplay it or you will look foolish.
I'm not playing a role. I'm calling out your false posting on a specific point as well as your exaggeration using a generality such as "allies", when more "allies" support this deal.

Other than that, what you say is just your opinion because you want to prevent my opinion from being aired. I'm expressing my position, one I feel just as passionate about as you do yours. Typical NeoCon bullshit tactic. Talk about overplaying a role. Pot meet kettle.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:32 PM   #49
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Plenty of Haaretz articles if I posted them here , I would still be called anti smitty. These Nitwits as HCF calls them are a Pox
Don't play dumb, if you can help it. You're not called anti-Semitic because you don't agree with an issue or two of Israeli policy. You're called that because you believe Jews are the enemy of mankind. I know, just the ones who support Israel's right to exist. You believe they're behind all the ills of the world.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:40 PM   #50
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I'm not playing a role. I'm calling out your false posting on a specific point as well as your exaggeration using a generality such as "allies", when more "allies" support this deal.

Other than that, what you say is just your opinion because you want to prevent my opinion from being aired. I'm expressing my position, one I feel just as passionate about as you do yours. Typical NeoCon bullshit tactic. Talk about overplaying a role. Pot meet kettle.
hmmmm, pot and kettle are both black, no?

does this mean you are as much as hcf are overplaying your role?

enquiring minds and all that shit...
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Don't play dumb, if you can help it. You're not called anti-Semitic because you don't agree with an issue or two of Israeli policy. You're called that because you believe Jews are the enemy of mankind. I know, just the ones who support Israel's right to exist. You believe they're behind all the ills of the world.
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If someone kills your family and then tosses you out of your house , do they have a right to live there ? Israels formation was by theft and murder & Yeah War isnt fair .... And I have every right to root for NOBODY if I dam well chose to . You take a side , you have blood on your hands . Mine are clean .


what's this?

you sound like you're a terrorist sympathizer now (you know, sympathetic to the palestinians)...

that won't play well with the pro-israeli lobby here in d.c.,
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:49 PM   #53
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If someone kills your family and then tosses you out of your house , do they have a right to live there ? Israels formation was by theft and murder & Yeah War isnt fair .... And I have every right to root for NOBODY if I dam well chose to . You take a side , you have blood on your hands . Mine are clean . Its kinfd of ironic seeing people who believe Israel has a right to exist do so because of the Bible and yet YHWH didnt tell Israel to take the land like they did. The Bible said it would happen , but the circumstances are not the same as Joshuah and the 12 tribes back in the day .
You're a ****ing idiot. I'm not sure if there is one single thing you believe that is actually true.
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No Cosmo I nailed you good , you slam Believers of a Bible that other folks claim justifies the manner in which certain Jewish interests seized Palestine to form an Israeli state. And their right by their own admission is by seizing it by force because YHWH promised the land to them . When in fact if that is the case they really own Lebanon , Syria and Jordan as well. Go ahead look and listen your self , Pro Israel Israelis justify their State because of the BIBLE. They believe they can kill for more. These folks you support and the biggest racists on the planet . Much worse and lethal than Duke or Bro Nat . And they kill cause the holocaust justifies and they say NEVER AGAIN when they mean NEVER AGAIN TO US .
It wasn't seized by force. You are truly detached from reality. Of course, after palestinians rejected land for their own country, Israel was attacked on all sides, and several times after as well. Land from the 1948 formation was not taken by force. And they have never been the aggressor for land or anything else. The "occupied territories" are such because of attacks on Israel. Aside from the land returned to Egypt after the peace treaty, every time Israel pulls back, they get attacked. You're a ****ing moron.
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Wouldn't it suck to have Obama as an ally?
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If this isn't already an Internet rule, it should be. You can't debunk anything by citing antiwar.com and counterpunch. Likewise with think progress, mediamatters, and infowars.
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I suspect that won't be an issue with most. Who would claim him?
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Some one put their name to this article and it was Weir , and now she is on the ADL watch list. DEBUNK if fair enough in this instance as far as I am concerned . Something stinks in the way Israel has made its money and their own version of a war machine /IDF. Minimally this article points out the use of the terms Zionism and Political Zionism . People here seem to believe they only exist because Alex Jones and the other conspiracy nuts say it does. Not everything that comes out of the left is a lie and not all of it is truth and the same can be said for the right.

I guess what I find so troubling about his is that everyone seems to believe all of Israel and all of the Jews outside of Israel are on the same page when it comes to how they identify themselves as Jews politically and religiously. Until I list enough of these voices I am the bad guy.

I have just started scratching the surface of Political Zionism and the Jews who oppose it Weir being one of them. Cosmo claims Israel was born out of some magical series of events where there wasn't loser and that the land Israel occupies currently has in part been established underhandedly . I want a debunk concerning the birth of Israel and how certian Jewish Interests did some very naughty things and if fact did terrorist type things to get Israel as a state a done deal. There is nothing unreasonable about this request and I reckon Cosmo wont bother trying to defend Israel if it comes to dealing with the soft white underbelly of how exactly Israel came to be a state. There is a reason certain sects of Judaism wont buy into Israel and it isn't simply on silly religious ground> Many Israelis are killers and often murderers. Same goes for the US and the Pentagon. I buy into Chomsky's notion that the Pentagon is hands down the biggest terrorist organization on the planet. It may not be true but they sure come in the top 4 .

I need to reiterate this I am not taking sides. I consider all of the aspects of the western and eastern northern and southern war machines to be Evil and Satanic . MY bible tells me those who kill with the sword will in turn be killed with the sword. This notion cannot be fulfilled in one lifetime . It is clear that the original statement in the OT about blood guilt. There is a perpetual cycle of reincarnation and killing Karma and this BSC Christian /NA /Hebrew dude wants no part in it. My hands are clean of blood guilt and I intend to keep them that way.

If there is no truth in Wiers article I want a debunk at least in order to establish once and for all Israel was indeed established as a modern state by the Fairy Tale god in the sky and nothing evil and bloody had to be done to make Israel a state. Israel is the case study for the need to defend a Nation by force when you establish it by force. Let me be absolutely clear here .. I want the nature of Israels birth as a Nation clarified , I want to know all the dirty details.
I don't think cosmo would disagree with the idea that the Jews of the middle east committed acts of terrorism during the years leading up to the birth of Israel. I know I don't. But I do disagree with the idea that Israel's formation was by theft and murder as if it was a one-sided affair. There was plenty of violence going both ways and when the defacto sovereign decided to grant independence in the form of two nation states (Jewish Israel and an Arab state), it was the Arabs who were unwilling to accept those terms and decided to opt for war instead. Israel's actions, e.g. driving Arabs out of their homes, were reactions to that core fact.

Since that time, Israel has shown again and again that they're willing to live in peace but certain groups of Arabs repeatedly demonstrate that they aren't interested in peaceful coexistence.
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See , I simply cant accept the Both sides were being naughty thing very well. There were Jewish exiles that needed a home just like there were exiles in the latter 1800s onward that needed the NA to be cleared out in order to make room . It needed to be done fast and it didn't matter how underhanded and evil it was as long as it got done. And needless to say the Jews wanted to hurt somebody in the way they had been hurt. And that really is the crux of the matter and why Israel is so dangerous. Its that cycle of abuse thing psychologists talk so much about.
I don't agree with any of that.
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Has Obama ever put the pinchers on anybody but "We the People" ??

mlyonsd my man I respect ya ! But Iran doesn't have to fail because nothing has changed and Obama has never put the squeeze on anyone outside of our country based on his foreign policy history. Well except for Libya where he was assisting terrorists This is all smoke and mirrors so that Iran can continue to enrich and Kerry can supposedly 'look good' for 2016. Bebe doesn't buy it and neither do conservatives in this country.
Wait, Obama has stated numerous times a nuclear Iran was not acceptable and he was not bluffing about using military force.

Are you trying to tell me he might lie about something?
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