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Old 11-24-2013, 02:54 AM  
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Why are you a republican or democrat (or independent)?

Just our of curiousity.

Is it because that's how you were raised and strictly vote along the party lines no matter what? Are you an intelligent voter that pays attention to what's happening with this country?

I vote republican because they stand for family values, economy growth, small businesses growth which is essential for the economy, and they respect the protected right of religion and right to bear arms. I also believe in states rights over big government.

What do democrats vote democrat for? Free phones, free handouts, rights to kill babies, racism, big brother controlling every facet of your life? Please explain your intentions democrats?

Because the democratic party that was once respected is no longer the democratic party. Democrats from 50 years ago would be republican.

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Old 11-25-2013, 08:10 AM   #46
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It shouldn't. Some people have confused ideas because they don't understand it.
I both agree and disagree with you. People certainly have confused ideas about it, but it's not as black and white as you seem to want to make it either.

Some government activities involve both social and fiscal matters. Social security, for example. It's not at all clear where a social liberal fiscal conservative comes down on an issue like that. FWIW, I think in a lot of cases it means the person is somewhat libertarian, but they aren't comfortable calling themselves that because hardcore libertarians take it so far.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:17 AM   #47
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I both agree and disagree with you. People certainly have confused ideas about it, but it's not as black and white as you seem to want to make it either.

Some government activities involve both social and fiscal matters. Social security, for example. It's not at all clear where a social liberal fiscal conservative comes down on an issue like that. FWIW, I think in a lot of cases it means the person is somewhat libertarian, but they aren't comfortable calling themselves that because hardcore libertarians take it so far.
I agree with this, especially in a welfare state.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:20 AM   #48
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I both agree and disagree with you. People certainly have confused ideas about it, but it's not as black and white as you seem to want to make it either.

Some government activities involve both social and fiscal matters. Social security, for example. It's not at all clear where a social liberal fiscal conservative comes down on an issue like that. FWIW, I think in a lot of cases it means the person is somewhat libertarian, but they aren't comfortable calling themselves that because hardcore libertarians take it so far.
I'd really love it if we could take care of our old and injured without SS. I hate what my children are going to be faced with. I'm not entirely sure how you back-peddle without damning millions to horrible suffering. I would probably be in favor of private accounts.

I am not in favor of my kids sending me out to the woods in my old age for a quiet death.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:30 AM   #49
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I'm an intellicrat. Whatever makes sense to advance society and include as many of us in the uplift I'm for.
Very collective of you.

I'm a bit too fiercely independent to take such a position.

Many horrors could be wrought using your position. Sometimes the most unethical and horrible mistreatment of people results in the 'advance' of society. Is there a place where you draw a line on that?
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:33 AM   #50
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Very collective of you.

I'm a bit too fiercely independent to take such a position.

Many horrors could be wrought using your position. Sometimes the most unethical and horrible mistreatment of people results in the 'advance' of society. Is there a place where you draw a line on that?
Exactly! Great post btw.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:37 AM   #51
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Exactly! Great post btw.
It's weird to imagine what the world of medicine would be like if not for the countless human medical experiments conducted by the Nazis.

We reap the benefits today, but no regard is really given to the people, often children, who were experimented on against their will and ended up buried in mass grave.

Ethical lines have to be drawn to protect the individual from the tyranny of the 'society'.
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:48 AM   #52
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I'd really love it if we could take care of our old and injured without SS. I hate what my children are going to be faced with. I'm not entirely sure how you back-peddle without damning millions to horrible suffering. I would probably be in favor of private accounts.

I am not in favor of my kids sending me out to the woods in my old age for a quiet death.
Yeah, I know what you mean. We're too deep into the welfare state to cut it out cold turkey without really ruining a lot of lives of people who have come to rely on it (and I'm not just talking about welfare queens or committed takers).
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #53
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I tend to be a fiscal conservative who more often than not sides with the republicans. Wish we had more choices on a national level.
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:19 AM   #54
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I don't vote strictly for one party, though I tend to lean Democrat more often then not because of social issues and they also tend to do a better job of separation of church and state. I am Catholic but it just seems that too often traditional republicans tie their political and societal views to their Christianity and they expect everyone else to do the same.

I voted Republican last time around pretty much exclusively because of Obamacare. To me voting against that was more important than voting for social issues that I am in favor of which line up more with the democratic stance. I am not sure what this makes me though.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:08 AM   #55
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I'm an intellicrat. Whatever makes sense to advance society and include as many of us in the uplift I'm for.
You are a Socialist IE: You're cool with government seizing a hard working individual's property to build a park or high speed train or give it to a non working person as long as it's for the greater good for the collective.
Funny how Socialist don't want to say that they're socialist. They want to relabel themselves "Progressives" because Socialism has proven to be an absolute failure whenever and wherever it's been tried.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:19 AM   #56
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I don't vote strictly for one party, though I tend to lean Democrat more often then not because of social issues and they also tend to do a better job of separation of church and state. I am Catholic but it just seems that too often traditional republicans tie their political and societal views to their Christianity and they expect everyone else to do the same.

I voted Republican last time around pretty much exclusively because of Obamacare. To me voting against that was more important than voting for social issues that I am in favor of which line up more with the democratic stance. I am not sure what this makes me though.
Wrong. Democrats are The party that brings church and state together. Democrats are The ones that are mandating that Hospitals owned by religious denominations must provide birth control and abortions to patients and employees even though it's in direct conflict with beliefs. Government has no place in marriage at all. Marriage is a faith based label used by the church. Redefining what marriage is is an overreach by government. If there is a church that acknowledges Gay Marriage, so be it.
That's like someone running around saying they're a College Grad when they never went to college , thus not meeting the definition of a College Graduate. Difference is, there isn't a separation of school and State, so the government would be justified giving away college degrees.
Separation of Church and state goes both ways.
There should be a separation of school and State. The government has totally destroyed education.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:29 AM   #58
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1. Like Medicaid,Obummercare, among many other unnecessary social programs, okay, I can go with that.

2. Better look in the mirror as to who really IS legislating morality 'these days' Gloucester my man !!

3. Fiscal conservative and social liberal to me is nothing more than a RINO who doesn't get the long term effect and connection of allowing the debt ceiling to rise and not standing against moral decay that eventually eats into our back pockets(spending thus higher taxes) to the point of bankrupting our country all because they want to go along to get along and further their careers because they know who(Progressives a la Marxists) controls the media,education system and the courts. So they play ball( a word called 'bi-partisan' at all costs) thus F'ing "We the People" in the long run. Oh they talk fiscal responsibility but have never lived it let alone voted for it. And more importantly they have to be liked by everyone. Their moral compass(if they have one) will always point to what is least conflictual especially when it comes to social issues and they know they better be for homos,deadbabies and anti-guns or they are F'd in their eyes with the Marxist press and then they get Alinskyed(demagogued) . These people HATE conflict with a passion and are 'cowards' to the core and will stand for NOTHING when push comes to shove and will always side with what's popular for the moment. The only time you might see them support conservative causes is when it's politically convenient. Remember when the Tea Party first came about ? Oh every RINO was on board cheering UNTIL the TEA Party started making head way and then you saw the cowardly RINOs jump ship because they MUST be liked by Progressive(a la Marxist) narrative that 'rules the day' ! Obviously I have just described the fiscal conservative/social liberal politician. Now the fiscal conservative/social liberal voter is much the same way wanting to be able to keep the majority of their $$ but must be liked at all cost and will follow the Progressive social narrative(pro-homo,deadbabies and anti-gun) to avoid conflict.

Yeah Gloucester this 'fiscal conservative/social liberal label is very enlightening for sure
That's the kind of self-righteous bullshit that drives people away from the Republican Party.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:31 AM   #59
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That's the kind of self-righteous bullshit that drives people away from the Republican Party.
There's just as much self-righteousness in the democrat party as there is in the GOP. I ignore it from both sides and vote based on the interests I value most as I'm sure you do.
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That's the kind of self-righteous bullshit that drives people away from the Republican Party.
This is why most people identify themselves as independents. This happens with the Repubs and Dems.
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