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Old 11-24-2013, 04:55 PM  
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Another new ObamaCare hidden tax?

New Obamacare Tax: 9.5% Tax On Premiums, Charged To Everyone On BCBS In Michigan

Is this real?

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/24/n...s-in-michigan/
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:49 PM   #2
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Lolz. It pays more to be poor than to make a living wage under Obama.
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Old 11-24-2013, 05:52 PM   #3
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It sure does.
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Old 11-24-2013, 06:04 PM   #4
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According to Heritage this tax exempts large employers. So it affects small employers, which is most of America, and individuals.
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Old 11-24-2013, 06:39 PM   #5
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Lolz. It pays more to be poor than to make a living wage under Obama.
Poor people have a sweet, sweet life. No question about that.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:07 PM   #6
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Lolz. It pays more to be poor than to make a living wage under Obama.
Why do poor people who can't afford to feed themselves have kids? Never understood this. And why should responsible people be weighed with the burden of taking care of irresponsible people?
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:24 PM   #7
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Are people just noticing this? This info was included in my cancellation documentation. In short every plan has to pay a fee per subscriber every month to pay for the exchange. I think it was ~$15 a month or ~180 a year. 6 million plans an you're approaching a billion a year to pay for the 'exchange'. I'm not 100% sure if this applies only to plans bought through the exchange. But you can't get a tax subsidy if you don't buy through the exchange.....
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:30 PM   #8
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Are people just noticing this? This info was included in my cancellation documentation. In short every plan has to pay a fee per subscriber every month to pay for the exchange. I think it was ~$15 a month or ~180 a year. 6 million plans an you're approaching a billion a year to pay for the 'exchange'. I'm not 100% sure if this applies only to plans bought through the exchange. But you can't get a tax subsidy if you don't buy through the exchange.....
So if your policy stayed exactly the same you get a nearly 10% surcharge just cuz?
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:51 PM   #9
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Are people just noticing this? This info was included in my cancellation documentation. In short every plan has to pay a fee per subscriber every month to pay for the exchange. I think it was ~$15 a month or ~180 a year. 6 million plans an you're approaching a billion a year to pay for the 'exchange'. I'm not 100% sure if this applies only to plans bought through the exchange. But you can't get a tax subsidy if you don't buy through the exchange.....
Well, why can't this be challenged in the Supreme Court on this aspect, since a tax must originate in the House of Reps--not the Senate?

I believe Republicans tried to repeal this tax too.
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Old 11-24-2013, 09:37 PM   #10
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Well, why can't this be challenged in the Supreme Court on this aspect, since a tax must originate in the House of Reps--not the Senate?

I believe Republicans tried to repeal this tax too.
It doesn't have to, but in this case, it did.
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:33 PM   #11
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It doesn't have to, but in this case, it did.
Um yes, yes it has to..

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As for Obamacare, it kinda sorta originated in the House as a shell bill but it's a silly argument because it's not like it wouldn't have passed through the House at the time anyway. It's an argument using a technicality to argue against another technicality... not the most "honest" of complaints.
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:46 PM   #12
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For those who want the Supreme Court to rule on Obamacare... the only thing I see in the near future is the Hobby Lobby case which will (most likely) be taken up on Tuesday. As it stands, the 10th Circuit has ruled that Obamacare can NOT force employers to cover birth control.
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Old 11-24-2013, 10:51 PM   #13
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Um yes, yes it has to..

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

As for Obamacare, it kinda sorta originated in the House as a shell bill but it's a silly argument because it's not like it wouldn't have passed through the House at the time anyway. It's an argument using a technicality to argue against another technicality... not the most "honest" of complaints.


The people who interpret such things (the Supreme Court) has ruled that "Bills for raising revenue" means that raising revenue must be the primary purpose of the bill. Obviously, there is a reason why the issue wasn't raised in the ACA challenge before the SC.

The technicality on origination of a bill heavily amended by the Senate has also been blessed by the SC. And again, not even raised in the ACA SC case.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:00 PM   #14
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The technicality on origination of a bill heavily amended by the Senate has also been blessed by the SC. And again, not even raised in the ACA SC case.
Yes I know, shell bills happen all the time which is why I think the "origination" argument against Obamacare is silly. You are using a technicality to argue against a technicality. Seems disingenuous. I might feel differently IF there was a chance that the House at the time wouldn't have passed whatever the Senate wanted them to... but that wasn't the case.

I'm a rabid Obamacare hater but come on guys, pick your battles. I also can't stand Obama himself but I was a full on debunker of the birth certificate nonsense. My "partisanship" is always gonna to be subservient to facts and logic.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:01 PM   #15
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Why do poor people who can't afford to feed themselves have kids? Never understood this. And why should responsible people be weighed with the burden of taking care of irresponsible people?
If this shit keeps up, kids could be an important food source.
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