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Old 11-26-2013, 09:41 AM  
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:45 PM   #16
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We aren't aware of the totality of existence...
This is all you really had to say. From this point you can go anywhere.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:47 PM   #17
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Yes it is. Also by acknowledging your worth and the sacred nature of your life you can, through empathy, appreciate and hold sacred the lives of others.
Beautiful. Thanks for that thought.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:52 PM   #18
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Beautiful. Thanks for that thought.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:53 PM   #19
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You are bound by the strength you have in thinking and then writiing it. My weakness in coming across the way I think but not being clear in writing has to do with certain forms of thinking based in English . Kinda stuck in between signs /glyphs and how they work and English . It makes it harder to get the message right ... but it isn't so constricting on the flow of energy reaching my extra senses. We are all part on one big pyramid of thought . Personal ego is somewhat of an illusion.
I think in concepts, which I have to translate into English. The only difficulty lay in carefully choosing which words will express those concepts most clearly. I am unbound and awake.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:54 PM   #20
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That's worshiping Man.
That's not worshiping.
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:55 PM   #21
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That's worshiping Man.
Sweet God I'm going to buy you a spell checker for Christmas.
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:03 PM   #22
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Must one believe in a god to give thanks? It doesn't seem to be the case. I could thank my parents for giving me a safe and supportive upbringing. I could thank my family for loving me. I could thank my teachers and the educational system of the US for my education. I could thank my employer for satisfying and rewarding work. I could reflect on the overall fortunate situation to be born in this place and time with a good set of genes in comparison with the other much less favorable circumstances. I could use my time, talents, and treasures in service to those less fortunate as an expression of my thanks. A religious outlook doesn't seem to be necessary to fully engage in this good holiday.
there seems to be this implied conundrum that suggests it is a either/or situation...people don't need faith to be moral..but in the end , it ends up like the remainder of your response.....starting with the word I...faith comes from hearing the Word of God....faith will create works, but works will never create faith...

there is difference between friend and friendly.

like there is a difference between worship and worshipful.

the opposite of thanks is condemnation....hardly the conundrum that appears to be presented.

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Old 11-27-2013, 11:08 PM   #23
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Beautiful. Thanks for that thought.
not really..those feelings and actions don't originate with you...
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:18 PM   #24
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there seems to be this implied conundrum that suggests it is a either/or situation...people don't need faith to be moral..but in the end , it ends up like the remainder of your response.....starting with the word I...faith comes from hearing the Word of God....faith will create works, but works will never create fatih...

there is difference between friend and friendly.

like there is a difference between worship and worshipful.

the opposite of thanks is condemnation....hardly the conundrum that appears to be presented.
I understand that thanks toward other people and thanks toward a god are not mutually exclusive. I am interested in exploring if one can find meaning in life beyond hedonism without religion. I think that one can, but maybe my altruistic and empathetic thoughts and and feelings come from my religious upbringing? It is interesting to consider.
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:19 PM   #25
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not really..those feelings and actions don't originate with you...
In your opinion.
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:25 PM   #26
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I understand that thanks toward other people and thanks toward a god are not mutually exclusive. I am interested in exploring if one can find meaning in life beyond hedonism without religion. I think that one can, but maybe my altruistic and empathetic thoughts and and feelings come from my religious upbringing? It is interesting to consider.
God is not religion my friend...this is one of the biggest scams out there...it's the main reason why the catholic church decieved people into believing that they "needed" the "church" for salvation........

...if you want to see God/Holy Spirit in action..go hang out at the airport..
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:28 PM   #27
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God is not religion my friend...this is one of the biggest scams out there...it's the main reason why the catholic church decieved people into believing that they "needed" the "church" for salvation........

...if you want to see God/Holy Spirit in action..go hang out at the airport..
On the occasions I've been to the airport is seems closer to hell than to heaven. What should I be looking for to see God?
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I understand that thanks toward other people and thanks toward a god are not mutually exclusive. I am interested in exploring if one can find meaning in life beyond hedonism without religion. I think that one can, but maybe my altruistic and empathetic thoughts and and feelings come from my religious upbringing? It is interesting to consider.
That's a long journey that I would not presume to walk for you. Here's something that I found helpful: http://www.yogajournal.com/gratitude
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:33 PM   #29
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On the occasions I've been to the airport is seems closer to hell than to heaven. What should I be looking for to see God?
the love between those reuniting..like all the videos of the military moms/dads suprising kids /spouses.

those reactions are genuine....
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:40 PM   #30
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the love between those reuniting..like all the videos of the military moms/dads suprising kids /spouses.

those reactions are genuine....
Ok, I gotcha. But those emotions are universally human and not unique to those that hold a particular faith. To me that is humanity and provides no evidence of a god. My dog is capable of as much, so that expression isn't even unique to humans. Last time I asked him about god, he just tilted his head.
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