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Old 11-27-2013, 10:04 AM  
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I had a very interesting discussion last night based off what the Pope said in his new paper, and I want to pose a hypothetical:

If you could end poverty in America right now for every single person in our country, with the push of a button, by capping the most a person could make at $100 million, would you do it?

I haven't done the math on that, but assume for the sake of the exercise that the math would work.

Also for the purposes of this exercise, assume this is feasible to accomplish. It's a magic button. I know the popular rebuttal will be "if we did that, billionaires would go elsewhere" -- however ask yourself if would you push the button if you were guaranteed that they wouldn't?

Why, or why not?
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:01 PM   #76
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My ideaology is "Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime". Your ideaology pushes giving fish and of course giving someone else's fish ad nauseum to those who do not want to learn to fish. Your solution does not teach folks to fish, just continues to take from the fisherman.

The irony is that you are quite possibly one of the biggest idealogues on this board. You live and die by one set belief. You are anything but pragmatic. Your whole solution is anti-pragmatic.
You are seriously underestimating how racist fish are.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:01 PM   #77
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You are seriously underestimating how racist fish are.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:01 PM   #78
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Wrong.

I assuming that by making nobody poor, nobody's poor.

What's crazy is that you would refuse to do it unless there's something in it for you.
So be it. I am done with your pointless argument. You want to eliminate poverty without fixing the root cause. Some people are poor by choice and you want to reward that by taking from those who have earned and giving to those who produce nothing and provide nothing to society other than just existing.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:02 PM   #79
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So be it.
So you're admitting it, then.

You would not eliminate poverty unless you got something out of it.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:03 PM   #80
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So assuming that this button sets up a situation that all the needs for training/education/seed money for business puts all those in the position to sustain their selves and their family in a “middle class” life style, do we get to toss those that continue to be a leach on society’s butt into the wood chipper? I’m actually pretty sympathetic to those that are poor due to circumstances beyond their control and favor programs that in some way teach people to fish or supplement temporarily those participating in training and or educations to better their selves. In my opinion the government already collects more than enough revenue from the productive members of society to care for those in need. The problem is waste, fraud and government excess in everything from the military to food stamps to foreign aid to countries that do not deserve it. The Rainbows and unicorns fairytale of communism is a wonderful work of fiction. The reality ends up with overflowing mass graves.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:04 PM   #81
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So you're admitting it, then.

You would not eliminate poverty unless you got something out of it.
If you say so.
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:04 PM   #82
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Well, that's my answer, really. They aren't required to work in pre-button America, and that condition would be unchanged in post-button America.
So anyone who doesn't work will be kept out of poverty and they will get all their basic needs met. What about those who work at a fast food chain for minimum wage. Do they get this benefit?
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:11 PM   #83
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So assuming that this button sets up a situation that all the needs for training/education/seed money for business puts all those in the position to sustain their selves and their family in a “middle class” life style, do we get to toss those that continue to be a leach on society’s butt into the wood chipper? I’m actually pretty sympathetic to those that are poor due to circumstances beyond their control and favor programs that in some way teach people to fish or supplement temporarily those participating in training and or educations to better their selves. In my opinion the government already collects more than enough revenue from the productive members of society to care for those in need. The problem is waste, fraud and government excess in everything from the military to food stamps to foreign aid to countries that do not deserve it. The Rainbows and unicorns fairytale of communism is a wonderful work of fiction. The reality ends up with overflowing mass graves.
I'm not talking about getting everybody into the middle class. I'm talking about getting them out of poverty.
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If you say so.
You're saying so. Take responsibility for your extreme stances.
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So anyone who doesn't work will be kept out of poverty and they will get all their basic needs met. What about those who work at a fast food chain for minimum wage. Do they get this benefit?
I believe that minimum wage puts you below the poverty line, right?

Yeah, they too would be lifted out of poverty.
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You're saying so. Take responsibility for your extreme stances.
Extreme? I am done with this discussion.
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Extreme? I am done with this discussion.
True or false: American poverty should be eliminated, in your opinion, if it is in the best interests of the economy.
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Poverty will never be eliminated. No matter how easy you make it for people, some will still stay down.
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I believe that minimum wage puts you below the poverty line, right?

Yeah, they too would be lifted out of poverty.
Minimum wage puts a single person above poverty, so no. But for the sake of argument, why would they work the minimum wage job in the first place? And then there are those make $15,000 per year which is hardly living the good life but it is above the poverty line.

They don't get the benefits but it sounds like they would be better off working half the time so that they don't make too much money and can then get the benefits of food, housing, etc. The combination of half the pay and the benefits received is greater than what they would make working 40 hours a week for $15,000.
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