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Old 11-27-2013, 10:04 AM  
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Question.

I had a very interesting discussion last night based off what the Pope said in his new paper, and I want to pose a hypothetical:

If you could end poverty in America right now for every single person in our country, with the push of a button, by capping the most a person could make at $100 million, would you do it?

I haven't done the math on that, but assume for the sake of the exercise that the math would work.

Also for the purposes of this exercise, assume this is feasible to accomplish. It's a magic button. I know the popular rebuttal will be "if we did that, billionaires would go elsewhere" -- however ask yourself if would you push the button if you were guaranteed that they wouldn't?

Why, or why not?
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:28 AM   #121
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As one of the "little people" that you are laughing at. You should see how this commie rolls today. My liquor to chose from, my beer fridge and where I will enjoy my beverage. Life doesn't suck for this dumb ass commie.
You good sir have too much alcohol. Very soon someone should come along and help you redistribute to those who have less. It's not personal, just all about fairness. Why should you have so much while other have less or go without?
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:15 PM   #122
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You good sir have too much alcohol. Very soon someone should come along and help you redistribute to those who have less. It's not personal, just all about fairness. Why should you have so much while other have less or go without?
It's like having a smoker in KC. You don't have one? Turn in your man card.

No beer fridge and well stocked liquor cabinet? Turn in your man card.

Besides, beer is not an "official" food group. **** em, let them eat cake.
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I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:17 PM   #123
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As I've said many times in another thread this one is an obvious yes.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:18 PM   #124
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You good sir have too much alcohol. Very soon someone should come along and help you redistribute to those who have less. It's not personal, just all about fairness. Why should you have so much while other have less or go without?
now if you were talking kush, i'm with ya!
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Old 11-28-2013, 03:36 PM   #125
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How does this sound? Any socialist libtard that thinks DipScum's idea is a good one, should be forced to donate $1k of their monthly wages to help the poor, and see how well that goes over. I'm guessing it won't go over well, because libtards think that the only thing that they should give to people, is their worthless opinions. After all, libtards are only good at giving away things that don't belong to them.
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Old 11-28-2013, 04:42 PM   #126
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How does this sound? Any socialist libtard that thinks DipScum's idea is a good one, should be forced to donate $1k of their monthly wages to help the poor, and see how well that goes over. I'm guessing it won't go over well, because libtards think that the only thing that they should give to people, is their worthless opinions. After all, libtards are only good at giving away things that don't belong to them.
You have a lot of anger in you. You should relax, have a drink. I have a wide selection of beverages. Whats your poision?
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:13 PM   #127
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The idea of redistribution is very appealing to many people. I get it. Some people are born with an economic advantage, while others in poverty. It IS unfair. But here's the thing:

Life is unfair. I know that is a trite expression to some, but it doesn't only pertain to wealth. Some are born taller, better looking, more athletic, healthier genes, etc. What's to be done about that?

The thing about the 'unfairness' of wealth is that it can be rectified, while those other traits generally cannot. But you have to have an economic system that allows for the the ability to move up and down different classes. Socialism does not accomplish this. Its goal is to maintain everyone as 'equals', governed by the ideals of an elitist few. How is this moral?

Not only does that economic model prevent rewarding success, but it also prevents failure, which is a critical learning mechanism and vital to innovation and progress, i.e. learning what not to do.

Free market capitalism is the 'fairest', most generous economic model ever. It is the only model that allows individuals to realize their highest potential. Problems most often associated with capitalism are often due to government cronyism or over regulation. If the government were to do its constitutional job, i.e. prosecute instances of fraud and theft, then free markets could flourish. But those in power have no vested interest in seeing that happen, because we've already crossed that line.
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:19 PM   #128
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I scanned the previous posted so sorry if some of this has already been said.

Define poverty in the terms of your OP and once you do that change it to whatever the new bottom is you created by implementing your magic button theory.

You’ve created a new normal. There’s always going to be a bottom and the new bottom is the new poverty level.

Then if you say well everyone should pull the same income then you’ve changed the structure of the government and we have a segue to socialism.

Ask yourself why is there such a disparity in the first place. It’s not because of the extreme spread between the 2 and how much or little they make.

By capping income you’re exchanging problems and not solving anything. How many $100’s of millions in taxes is the government missing out on by imposed income limits?

And the sense of entitlement issue, we already sponsor a group of them, Congress
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:23 PM   #129
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I'll just add that I cannot believe we have come to this point as a country that the evils of socialism have to be explained. Un-effing-believable.
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:32 PM   #130
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I'll just add that I cannot believe we have come to this point as a country that the evils of socialism have to be explained. Un-effing-believable.
There are problems with every economic philosophy. For instance, your purely free market philosophy was tried. It resulted in a huge differential in income, employers doing what they want to employees, and the ability to buy out whatever politicians they need to fix the law.

That being said, the system we have right now doesn't work. It rewards people for not working. For instance, I have a friend with a kid and a deadbeat dad. She tried to go back to school to become a nurse and better her situation and was receiving food stamps and medicaid on the child. For every minute increase in pay there was a huge drop in benefits received so that it actually made more sense for her to stay on assistance. This is the situation that should be rectified. Assistance should be there if needed and it shouldn't punish those who try to get off of it.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:06 PM   #131
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There are problems with every economic philosophy. For instance, your purely free market philosophy was tried. It resulted in a huge differential in income, employers doing what they want to employees, and the ability to buy out whatever politicians they need to fix the law.

That being said, the system we have right now doesn't work. It rewards people for not working. For instance, I have a friend with a kid and a deadbeat dad. She tried to go back to school to become a nurse and better her situation and was receiving food stamps and medicaid on the child. For every minute increase in pay there was a huge drop in benefits received so that it actually made more sense for her to stay on assistance. This is the situation that should be rectified. Assistance should be there if needed and it shouldn't punish those who try to get off of it.
^ This. Assistance should be a hand up, not a hand out. Currently the system based off of your friend's situation forces people to continue receiving hand outs as it is better for them.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:24 PM   #132
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There are problems with every economic philosophy. For instance, your purely free market philosophy was tried. It resulted in a huge differential in income, employers doing what they want to employees, and the ability to buy out whatever politicians they need to fix the law.
So, in other words, the free market didn't work because the government failed to prosecute wrongdoing and allowed cronyism. OK.

A free market philosophy is not a pass to do whatever you want at the expense of others. It merely recognizes that it is a fallacy to direct market forces to arrive at the desired outcome. Often times those attempts result in unintended consequences that require additional interference to 'correct'. Eventually those corrections build up to the point that the law makers are, in effect, directing the economy, much to its ultimate peril. Under these conditions, who do you think those enlightened lawmakers and elites are going to keep an eye out for? The little guy? Good luck.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:30 PM   #133
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When Direckshun pushes his magic button, there will be an endless stream of the world's poor invading our country so they can escape poverty. And don't pretend that the world's poor will be denied access to anything American's would receive. That's not how magic buttons work.
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Old 11-28-2013, 06:47 PM   #134
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If you could cap out Direckshun's threads at 100 per year, and it meant many, many hours of drivel could be eliminated, would you do it?
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When Direckshun pushes his magic button, there will be an endless stream of the world's poor invading our country so they can escape poverty. And don't pretend that the world's poor will be denied access to anything American's would receive. That's not how magic buttons work.


Yep the poor and America is an oxymoron. The homeless choose to be homeless and get fed and housing at shelters for the most part and those on welfare with a few kids make just about as much and sometimes more than most of us average joe's who are busting our assess everyday. If there are the truly poor in this country I would like to see them and see them work rather than seeing them in malls,liquor stores and 7-11's using their EBT cards on my tax dollar. The truly poor will never let you know they are hurting.
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