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Old 11-27-2013, 01:03 PM  
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Hidden source code in Obamacare website strips you of any right to privacy

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:28 PM   #31
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I'd like to see what exactly he's referencing as "Hidden source code". Because nothing about that makes any sense. I assume he's talking about HTML code. But if he is, it still doesn't make much sense. HTML code isn't hidden, it's just not all displayed on the screen in a web browser. You can view the source code for any webpage in any browser. In Chrome, you simply right click and select Inspect Element, and it will show you the HTML source code. In Firefox, you just click View then Page Source. But even still, you're not going to be held liable for something you don't see or consent to. That's ridiculous. So there's no legal Gotcha they could use in that regard.

Mr. Barton doesn't really understand what he's talking about and can't explain where it is or why or how it's relevant, but he's still demanding answers. Which of course the people cannot answer. And Barton is taking the inability to answer his confusing question to mean he's caught them doing something terribly wrong, when in reality there's not enough info for those people to provide an answer to his question. This is all BS, and even if what he's saying is in some source code but not visible to the user, it sure as hell wouldn't be legally binding. And do people really think the government would do something that absurd and have everybody sign up and then go "Ahhh ha! We got you! You guys don't have any personal rights anymore. We win!"
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:40 PM   #32
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This is probably the first time a tech solution used information I entered online that I thought was supposed to be private. Seems like a petty thing to bitch about in this digital age.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:43 PM   #33
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Most likely. All I know is that they had to scuff the rust off it and send it to Rick's Restoration to get it working.
well at least they had the decency to get the rust off first...

i would think that having a pacemaker is very much better than the alernative...

advances in medical science during my lifetime have been breathtaking...

so cutting funding for medical research is insane, but it's in vogue nowadays...

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:45 PM   #34
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I'd like to see what exactly he's referencing as "Hidden source code". Because nothing about that makes any sense. I assume he's talking about HTML code. But if he is, it still doesn't make much sense. HTML code isn't hidden, it's just not all displayed on the screen in a web browser. You can view the source code for any webpage in any browser. In Chrome, you simply right click and select Inspect Element, and it will show you the HTML source code. In Firefox, you just click View then Page Source. But even still, you're not going to be held liable for something you don't see or consent to. That's ridiculous. So there's no legal Gotcha they could use in that regard.

Mr. Barton doesn't really understand what he's talking about and can't explain where it is or why or how it's relevant, but he's still demanding answers. Which of course the people cannot answer. And Barton is taking the inability to answer his confusing question to mean he's caught them doing something terribly wrong, when in reality there's not enough info for those people to provide an answer to his question. This is all BS, and even if what he's saying is in some source code but not visible to the user, it sure as hell wouldn't be legally binding. And do people really think the government would do something that absurd and have everybody sign up and then go "Ahhh ha! We got you! You guys don't have any personal rights anymore. We win!"
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:00 PM   #35
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During Thursday's congressional hearing with the contractors responsible for building the troubled ObamaCare federal exchanges, we learned that whether you end up enrolling in ObamaCare or not, no one who puts any information into the ObamaCare website can expect to have their privacy protected. Moreover, the fact that you are giving up your right to privacy is hidden in source code that reads, "You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication of any data transmitted or stored on this information system."

During his questioning on this specific issue, Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) only received chilling answers and deflections from the primary contractor responsible for the site. When he asked Cheryl Campbell of CGI about it, her icy response was that another contractor was responsible. After some pressuring, she finally admitted that she was aware of the hidden source code.

Just a few minutes earlier, however, Ms. Campbell testified under oath that the ObamaCare website is HIPAA compliant -- meaning everyone's medical and personal information is protected by law. The privacy section on the ObamaCare website says your privacy will be protected. The hidden source code seems to say, "just kidding."

The next questioner was Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) who immediately attacked Barton as running a "monkey court" and then dismissed the fact that people are unknowingly giving up their right to privacy. Pallone correctly pointed out that you are not required to give out any medical information on the ObamaCare site, but Pallone conveniently ignored the fact that HIPAA doesn't just protect medical information. It is also supposed to protect personal information.

Just to get yourself an insurance quote on the ObamaCare site, you have been required to give out information on your income, place of employment, family, and answer a number of questions that verify your identity. For instance, I had to verify a recent car loan. And while you are not required to give out your social security number, you are repeatedly pressured to do so.

You are also asked detailed questions about your family situation -- whether you are married and how many children you have. Just to get a quote, I also had to answer intrusive questions about my wife, even though she is already insured and won't be buying insurance through ObamaCare.

Had I known that without my knowledge, I was giving away my right to privacy, there is no way on earth I would've given the ObamaCare site as much information as I did.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ght-To-Privacy
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #36
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The privacy section on the ObamaCare website says your privacy will be protected. The hidden source code seems to say, "just kidding."
Seems to say, "Just kidding." ... yes, it sounds so logical so surely it's true!!

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Just to get yourself an insurance quote on the ObamaCare site, you have been required to give out information on your income, place of employment, family, and answer a number of questions that verify your identity.
Everybody already willingly gives that information to the government in multiple ways.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:07 PM   #37
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During Thursday's congressional hearing with the contractors responsible for building the troubled ObamaCare federal exchanges, we learned that whether you end up enrolling in ObamaCare or not, no one who puts any information into the ObamaCare website can expect to have their privacy protected. Moreover, the fact that you are giving up your right to privacy is hidden in source code that reads, "You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication of any data transmitted or stored on this information system."

During his questioning on this specific issue, Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) only received chilling answers and deflections from the primary contractor responsible for the site. When he asked Cheryl Campbell of CGI about it, her icy response was that another contractor was responsible. After some pressuring, she finally admitted that she was aware of the hidden source code.

Just a few minutes earlier, however, Ms. Campbell testified under oath that the ObamaCare website is HIPAA compliant -- meaning everyone's medical and personal information is protected by law. The privacy section on the ObamaCare website says your privacy will be protected. The hidden source code seems to say, "just kidding."

The next questioner was Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ) who immediately attacked Barton as running a "monkey court" and then dismissed the fact that people are unknowingly giving up their right to privacy. Pallone correctly pointed out that you are not required to give out any medical information on the ObamaCare site, but Pallone conveniently ignored the fact that HIPAA doesn't just protect medical information. It is also supposed to protect personal information.

Just to get yourself an insurance quote on the ObamaCare site, you have been required to give out information on your income, place of employment, family, and answer a number of questions that verify your identity. For instance, I had to verify a recent car loan. And while you are not required to give out your social security number, you are repeatedly pressured to do so.

You are also asked detailed questions about your family situation -- whether you are married and how many children you have. Just to get a quote, I also had to answer intrusive questions about my wife, even though she is already insured and won't be buying insurance through ObamaCare.

Had I known that without my knowledge, I was giving away my right to privacy, there is no way on earth I would've given the ObamaCare site as much information as I did.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ght-To-Privacy
I just don't see the big deal. We are in a digital age and private sector firms are collecting this kind of information all the time. Nobody even cares about social security numbers anymore. And seriously? People are worried about giving up info on their income and place of work?

There are lots of problems. It is hypocritical for any private sector advocates to complain that Obamacare is collecting too much info.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:09 PM   #38
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Just to get yourself an insurance quote on the ObamaCare site, you have been required to give out information on your income, place of employment, family, and answer a number of questions that verify your identity. For instance, I had to verify a recent car loan. And while you are not required to give out your social security number, you are repeatedly pressured to do so.

You are also asked detailed questions about your family situation -- whether you are married and how many children you have. Just to get a quote, I also had to answer intrusive questions about my wife, even though she is already insured and won't be buying insurance through ObamaCare.

Had I known that without my knowledge, I was giving away my right to privacy, there is no way on earth I would've given the ObamaCare site as much information as I did.

Your income and employment is govt info anyway, unless you don't file a tax return. Your marital status and how many kids you have is hardly private information.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:13 PM   #39
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Seems to say, "Just kidding." ... yes, it sounds so logical so surely it's true!!



Everybody already willingly gives that information to the government in multiple ways.
yes and that info is protected. it is private. Hipaa is a function of security & privacy. I'm surprised you choose to ignore it. maybe you are fed.

I have built websites, I'm quite familiar. if it talks like a duck & walks like a duck -- it's a duck.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:16 PM   #40
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Seems to say, "Just kidding." ... yes, it sounds so logical so surely it's true!!



Everybody already willingly gives that information to the government in multiple ways.
well, not everybody...

the nutjobs who believe in black helicopters probably don't give that information to the government unless it's under duress...
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:22 PM   #41
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yes and that info is protected. it is private. Hipaa is a function of security & privacy. I'm surprised you choose to ignore it. maybe you are fed.

I have built websites, I'm quite familiar. if it talks like a duck & walks like a duck -- it's a duck.
I do system administration for a HIPAA compliant university, so I know plenty about the subject. I'm not ignoring it. Not a fed. LOL....

It doesn't even walk or talk like a duck in this case.
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yes and that info is protected. it is private. Hipaa is a function of security & privacy. I'm surprised you choose to ignore it. maybe you are fed.

I have built websites, I'm quite familiar. if it talks like a duck & walks like a duck -- it's a duck.
The sign-up process doesn't ask for any info that is covered by hippa.
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there you go again, bringing up facts like that matters or something...

you're ruining a perfectly good conspiracy theory dreamed up by some looney congressman from god only knows where and conspicuously detached from reality...

shame, for shame...
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yes and that info is protected. it is private. Hipaa is a function of security & privacy. I'm surprised you choose to ignore it. maybe you are fed.

I have built websites, I'm quite familiar. if it talks like a duck & walks like a duck -- it's a duck.
And another thing.... just what entity do you think provides both the protection and privacy of that info? Who regulates HIPAA numbnuts? Yeah... hopefully they don't share it with the government.......
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:49 AM   #45
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well, not everybody...

the nutjobs who believe in black helicopters probably don't give that information to the government unless it's under duress...
You have never seen a helicopter that was black? It doesn't require much belief if it's hovering off in the distance all black and everything.



pffft..obviously photoshopped.
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